The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

We all hope that. But unfortunately no one is buying their bull anymore. When the Chally first came out they were a little hot not like the Camaro but now forget it just take up dealer lots and showrooms. Why buy a Chally when you can go next door to the Chevy or Ford dealer and get so much more for less. And back to my point of evolution the Chally is a basic replica of the '70 Chally, the Camaro and Mustang are evolved 21st century retro cars!

i think 26000 who bought challengers in 2009 might have to disagree with you. and before you say that is nothing...the yearly production of the challenger is 30000.

it was meant for a certain segment..it wasnt meant to sell like the camaro and mustang and im damn glad it wasnt. so much nicer than seeing a million stangs on the road. oh and the challenger is a replica why? because it is an amazing design. dodge hit the nail on the head with the challengers design. In my opinion it is perfectly fine....the 70s challenger lasted 4 years. it's not like the mustang that exhausted it's design until finally it had to be changed over a 40 year course. so the challenger fits perfectly where it is. cant wait for the 6.4 l v8 next year

[wbt]

So you are saying they made 30K and only sold 26K? That means there is a 4K deficit on the lots collecting dust.

I have been to my Dodge dealer every week for the past 3 weeks fixing issues on my CSRT4 before I drop it like an empty beer can. They keep asking me to take a spin in one of their SRT8's that have been sitting on the lot for months. I happily decline every time and mention my new ride.

The 6.4 @ 525HP is not enough to get it done against the GT500 or upcoming Z28.

That boat left port long ago and unfortunately Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat are still waiting to board.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by wbt

So you are saying they made 30K and only sold 26K? That means there is a 4K deficit on the lots collecting dust.

I have been to my Dodge dealer every week for the past 3 weeks fixing issues on my CSRT4 before I drop it like an empty beer can. They keep asking me to take a spin in one of their SRT8's that have been sitting on the lot for months. I happily decline every time and mention my new ride.

The 6.4 @ 525HP is not enough to get it done against the GT500 or upcoming Z28.

That boat left port long ago and unfortunately Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat are still waiting to board.

again you dont get the point....oh well not everyone can be happy....but challenger owners sure are

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

Man I'm hoping too! The Z28 is going to be one bad @ss car man. They just need to get on the horn and make it already and stop dealaying the inevitable! And the sooner the better, because like I said, it is hard for a competitor to come in and beat the king it's first shot. You need some time to find out what areas need improvement. alot of people will say oh well that is what R&D is for, that should be done before it is out. Until the Z28 is out we won't know if the Z28 will be better than the GT500 or vice versa. But look at it this way:

-Challengers came out as 2009 models in 2008 and none of them beat the Mustang lineup in the shootouts.

-Camaros came out as 2010 modles in 2009 and the SS beat the GT in some and lost in some and when it beat the GT it was never by as much as expected by everyone, including me as a previous 2010 SS owner, for a car with a 111 HP advantage, but the GT had yet to get the 5.0 that was highly anticipated. The V6 Camaro stomped the V6 Mustang, but Mustang had yet to get their new V6 in the Mustang and now it will have it and it should be interesting.

But the GT500 stands alone waiting for a match?

The truth is I wouldn't be shocked if the GT500 beat the Z28 when it came out, less weight, better power to weight ratio if all the anticipated facts are facts. Than again I wouldn't be shocked if it were the other way around. Z28 stomps GT500. The reality is that the Z28 should beat the GT500 if you think about. Gm has had more time to work on it and get it right, it can study the enemy up and down by testing the Z28 mules against the GT500, you already know the GT500 weak spots, as well as your own in the SS Camaro. So it could go either way if you think of it that way.

We have learned though that even extensive research and development can not be enough to completely dominate or finish your oppenent. Camaro got the green light in late '06 early '07 has 2 years of testing and better specs everywhere except weight and only manages to sneak away with acceleration victories as it should with a 111 HP. But this is why I say it takes time for a new challenger (not the Dodge) to come in and beat the king!

.6 tenths is a good margin if ya ask me.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

i think 26000 who bought challengers in 2009 might have to disagree with you. and before you say that is nothing...the yearly production of the challenger is 30000.

it was meant for a certain segment..it wasnt meant to sell like the camaro and mustang and im damn glad it wasnt. so much nicer than seeing a million stangs on the road. oh and the challenger is a replica why? because it is an amazing design. dodge hit the nail on the head with the challengers design. In my opinion it is perfectly fine....the 70s challenger lasted 4 years. it's not like the mustang that exhausted it's design until finally it had to be changed over a 40 year course. so the challenger fits perfectly where it is. cant wait for the 6.4 l v8 next year

So explain what IS ITS segment, and WHAT is it supposed to be competing against?

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

Question - Now we have someone who works for Ford, backing the Mustang up? That's just dandy.

I noticed something too Cobra_Commander, your avatar pic is of a 2010 GT500...

Tac, you only get the thinner stripes with the svt package. All non svt package cars will look the same as the 2010's. Just to clear things up.

I myself think the car looks very magoo with the svt package and it adds very little in terms of performance over the standard car.
Why would anyone want a glass roof to add weight to a car that came out with an aluminum block to lower weight.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

We all hope that. But unfortunately no one is buying their bull anymore. When the Chally first came out they were a little hot not like the Camaro but now forget it just take up dealer lots and showrooms. Why buy a Chally when you can go next door to the Chevy or Ford dealer and get so much more for less. And back to my point of evolution the Chally is a basic replica of the '70 Chally, the Camaro and Mustang are evolved 21st century retro cars!

You have to understand the Challenger to get it and why people would buy, not to mention why it has the highest rating for buyer satisfaction. You also have to be aware of the changes that have taken place over it's lifecycle and the fact the R/T is well underrated. I am not going to go into specifices, but I will ask if you are aware of the new Super Track pak for the R/Ts and the fact the R/Ts run low 13s (as quick as 13.1). As for the Dodge/Chrysler?fiat feeding bull, you DO understand it takes YEARS not MONTHS to design a new car and get it into prouction, right?

[Stew]

Originally Posted by wbt

So you are saying they made 30K and only sold 26K? That means there is a 4K deficit on the lots collecting dust.

I have been to my Dodge dealer every week for the past 3 weeks fixing issues on my CSRT4 before I drop it like an empty beer can. They keep asking me to take a spin in one of their SRT8's that have been sitting on the lot for months. I happily decline every time and mention my new ride.

The 6.4 @ 525HP is not enough to get it done against the GT500 or upcoming Z28.

That boat left port long ago and unfortunately Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat are still waiting to board.

You have to realize you bought up a hopped up economy car that was built with Cerberus in charge when they were cutting everything and slicing CHrysler apart. My Patriot is built off the same platform as your CSRT4 and has been one of the most reliavble vehicles I have ever owned. As for 525 HP not being enough, the SRT8 should undercut the GT500 and supposed Z28 by 7-8k. Also realize, it will take time for the changes in models and new models to happen. Understanding of that MAY help you understand why we don't have dealerships full of brand new models already. they also have to undo the damage caused by Daimler and Cerberus, not an easy task......

[Stew]

Originally Posted by a_Username

So explain what IS ITS segment, and WHAT is it supposed to be competing against?

There really is not competition. The Challenger is really more of a tourer along the lines of big Mercedes or BMW coupe. It's made for long distance comfort, room, and loads of features. The fact it isn't too far off the Camaro and Mustang in handling and power is just great as those 2 cars don't come close to the CHallengers ride or comfort.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Stew

. The Challenger is really more of a tourer along the lines of big Mercedes or BMW coupe.

While you may be right, to think of the Challenger along the lines of a big
Mercedes or BMW coupe. I'm sorry, that's just sad. That is NOT the history of that vehicle.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

While you may be right, to think of the Challenger along the lines of a big
Mercedes or BMW coupe. I'm sorry, that's just sad. That is NOT the history of that vehicle.

If we went simply with the history of the vehicles, they's handle and brake horribly, need constant tuning, lack any available modern features, not be nearly as safe, and have much worse build quality.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Stew

If we went simply with the history of the vehicles, they's handle and brake horribly, need constant tuning, lack any available modern features, not be nearly as safe, and have much worse build quality.

That's not what I meant at all. The Challenger was a muscle car along the lines of a Boss, Z28, Chevelle SS, etc. To move from that to now being compared to a Mercedes or BMW is sad.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Stew

There really is not competition. The Challenger is really more of a tourer along the lines of big Mercedes or BMW coupe. It's made for long distance comfort, room, and loads of features. The fact it isn't too far off the Camaro and Mustang in handling and power is just great as those 2 cars don't come close to the CHallengers ride or comfort.

I thought this was a GT500 thread ,but since it changed to a challenger thread, I'm sorry but the challenger wasn't built to compete with the mercedes or bmw.
It was in reply to the 2005 mustang gt that came out with retro styling. Unfortunately for dodge they got the styling right but missed the boat in performance. If they did intend to compete with mercedes or bmw well then they really missed the boat.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by coolman

I thought this was a GT500 thread ,but since it changed to a challenger thread, I'm sorry but the challenger wasn't built to compete with the mercedes or bmw.
It was in reply to the 2005 mustang gt that came out with retro styling. Unfortunately for dodge they got the styling right but missed the boat in performance. If they did intend to compete with mercedes or bmw well then they really missed the boat.

Non, no, no I don't mean it competes with them, but is the same style of xar, a cruiser or long distance tourer, they doin't compete at all, heck the challenger starts at what, 1/4 and tops out at 1/2 the price of this cars? And the CHallenger did beat the 05-09 GT in basically every performance category, so if that was their target they did well.