The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

Thanks! And isn't it funny how this thread was started to talk about just how bad @ss the car I'm getting is and now we are talking about what Dodge should be doing with their Challenger lineup? So back on topic... The Ford Shelby GT500 is the greatest pony car ever!

For now

[derklug]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

I'm curious as to why you think the Camaro is behind the Mustang. In what way? It's not hp, it's not sales, so I'm just curious as to your parameters. Oh, I am not being a smart ass, you know how this internet thing can be. I really just want to know your thoughts.

I think where he was going is that Mustang has been out for awhile and so aftermarket parts are plentifull and low cost. It will take a couple of years for the aftermarket to catch up with Camaro parts, and when the production numbers come up, the mods will get cheaper. In the 70's, Fords were twice as expensive as GM's to build. When the Mustang came out in 79, it's popularity dropped the price of 302 mods, soon suspension mods came around at decent prices also. Not a mind reader, but this is what I think he meant.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by radz282003

For now

+1.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

+1.

Yeah they won't talk about the challenger for very long.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

Why thank you. I appreciate the comment! But.... Without trying to be too critical, you said Chevy and Dodge came to a 3 knife fight with only 2 knives. The truth is Dodge came with 3 knives: the V6, the R/T, and the SRT-8. Granted they are 3 dull knives to Chevy's 2 piercing knives, but they are still 3 knives. Sadly Dodge will have to have 4 knives to compete in this 3 knife fight. Even then if they bring out this 6.4L with 500 HP it still won't be enough to compete it seems by the time it's out. So lets just say or hope for argument sake that the 6.4L Hemi is good for 500+ HP in the Chally.

Than I wonder if the plan for Dodge is to ditch the 6.1L Hemi and replace it with the 6.4L Hemi? Or is the R/T going to lose the 5.7L Hemi and get the 6.1L Hemi and the SRT-8 will get the 6.4LHemi? That would make the most sense actually! Because than Dodge could beef up their crappy V6 and make it more competeitve to the Ford and Chevy. Have the R/T get the 425 HP 6.1L Hemi, which right now is in the GT and SS' class of 400+ HP. And finally give the SRT-8 the 500+ HP 6.4L Hemi and let it compete with the big boys, because we know the GT500 is 550 HP and the Z28 is 550+ HP!

Oh The Possibilities...

You are spot on about the Challenger. Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat seem really behind the 8 ball compared to Ford and GM. We will see what they offer in the new motors coming but I am skeptical. The Challenger is already more expensive than the Camaro and Mustang.

My personal opinion is they will continue to be priced above GM and Ford offerings and offer less performance while they work to cater to a niche buyer. Not really the best business move. The Challenger is one nice looking car but could be so much better in performance and price.

I hope Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat can see the big picture and get their act together.

[Cobra_Commander]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

I'm curious as to why you think the Camaro is behind the Mustang. In what way? It's not hp, it's not sales, so I'm just curious as to your parameters. Oh, I am not being a smart ass, you know how this internet thing can be. I really just want to know your thoughts.

I'm not talking about in HP. I was talking about in R&D time. The Mustang never got canceled they carried on with business as usual. Right now Mustang has a GT500 where Camaro has nothing to compete because they are behind in time due to the dissapearence of the Camaro in 2002. And I explained why I thought the sales were so scued but the Camaro may be just that much better! And i know you weren't trying to be a jerk so no offense taken.

[Tactical Z]

Question - Now we have someone who works for Ford, backing the Mustang up? That's just dandy.

I noticed something too Cobra_Commander, your avatar pic is of a 2010 GT500...

[Cobra_Commander]

Originally Posted by derklug

I think where he was going is that Mustang has been out for awhile and so aftermarket parts are plentifull and low cost. It will take a couple of years for the aftermarket to catch up with Camaro parts, and when the production numbers come up, the mods will get cheaper. In the 70's, Fords were twice as expensive as GM's to build. When the Mustang came out in 79, it's popularity dropped the price of 302 mods, soon suspension mods came around at decent prices also. Not a mind reader, but this is what I think he meant.

Pretty much that! But just the fact that R&D time had to be spent more on the Camaro to catch back up afer being gone so long!

[Cobra_Commander]

Originally Posted by wbt

You are spot on about the Challenger. Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat seem really behind the 8 ball compared to Ford and GM. We will see what they offer in the new motors coming but I am skeptical. The Challenger is already more expensive than the Camaro and Mustang.

My personal opinion is they will continue to be priced above GM and Ford offerings and offer less performance while they work to cater to a niche buyer. Not really the best business move. The Challenger is one nice looking car but could be so much better in performance and price.

I hope Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat can see the big picture and get their act together.

We all hope that. But unfortunately no one is buying their bull anymore. When the Chally first came out they were a little hot not like the Camaro but now forget it just take up dealer lots and showrooms. Why buy a Chally when you can go next door to the Chevy or Ford dealer and get so much more for less. And back to my point of evolution the Chally is a basic replica of the '70 Chally, the Camaro and Mustang are evolved 21st century retro cars!

[Cobra_Commander]

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

Question - Now we have someone who works for Ford, backing the Mustang up? That's just dandy.

I noticed something too Cobra_Commander, your avatar pic is of a 2010 GT500...

Well the only pic I could find of the car I ordered was a 2010 GT500 in Grabber Blue. I tried to get it on an angle so that it wouldn't be that noticeable but you got me. And I don't work for Ford or Chevy or any dealership I am in the automotive business though. I own transmission repair shops and I also work as a chair member for the company's corporate office. Trust me I don't work for any car manufacture.

Not to go off topic but this pic was almost the car I was going to order but I couldn't hold myself back from Grabber Blue!

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

I'm not talking about in HP. I was talking about in R&D time. The Mustang never got canceled they carried on with business as usual. Right now Mustang has a GT500 where Camaro has nothing to compete because they are behind in time due to the dissapearence of the Camaro in 2002. And I explained why I thought the sales were so scued but the Camaro may be just that much better! And i know you weren't trying to be a jerk so no offense taken.

Yeah, after I posted I was like duh, this is a thread about the GT 500
which GM does not have a car yet that competes against yet. Hopefully
sooner than later.

[Tactical Z]

Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

Well the only pic I could find of the car I ordered was a 2010 GT500 in Grabber Blue. I tried to get it on an angle so that it wouldn't be that noticeable but you got me. And I don't work for Ford or Chevy or any dealership I am in the automotive business though. I own transmission repair shops and I also work as a chair member for the company's corporate office. Trust me I don't work for any car manufacture.

Not to go off topic but this pic was almost the car I was going to order but I couldn't hold myself back from Grabber Blue!

Sorta figured you didn't work for Ford after reading a few more of your posts, sorry for that assumption.

Would you happen to know why they made the stripes so small?

[Cobra_Commander]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Yeah, after I posted I was like duh, this is a thread about the GT 500
which GM does not have a car yet that competes against yet. Hopefully
sooner than later.

Man I'm hoping too! The Z28 is going to be one bad @ss car man. They just need to get on the horn and make it already and stop dealaying the inevitable! And the sooner the better, because like I said, it is hard for a competitor to come in and beat the king it's first shot. You need some time to find out what areas need improvement. alot of people will say oh well that is what R&D is for, that should be done before it is out. Until the Z28 is out we won't know if the Z28 will be better than the GT500 or vice versa. But look at it this way:

-Challengers came out as 2009 models in 2008 and none of them beat the Mustang lineup in the shootouts.

-Camaros came out as 2010 modles in 2009 and the SS beat the GT in some and lost in some and when it beat the GT it was never by as much as expected by everyone, including me as a previous 2010 SS owner, for a car with a 111 HP advantage, but the GT had yet to get the 5.0 that was highly anticipated. The V6 Camaro stomped the V6 Mustang, but Mustang had yet to get their new V6 in the Mustang and now it will have it and it should be interesting.

But the GT500 stands alone waiting for a match?

The truth is I wouldn't be shocked if the GT500 beat the Z28 when it came out, less weight, better power to weight ratio if all the anticipated facts are facts. Than again I wouldn't be shocked if it were the other way around. Z28 stomps GT500. The reality is that the Z28 should beat the GT500 if you think about. Gm has had more time to work on it and get it right, it can study the enemy up and down by testing the Z28 mules against the GT500, you already know the GT500 weak spots, as well as your own in the SS Camaro. So it could go either way if you think of it that way.

We have learned though that even extensive research and development can not be enough to completely dominate or finish your oppenent. Camaro got the green light in late '06 early '07 has 2 years of testing and better specs everywhere except weight and only manages to sneak away with acceleration victories as it should with a 111 HP. But this is why I say it takes time for a new challenger (not the Dodge) to come in and beat the king!

[Cobra_Commander]

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

Sorta figured you didn't work for Ford after reading a few more of your posts, sorry for that assumption.

Would you happen to know why they made the stripes so small?

It says so that you can differentiate a GT500 with or without a SVT Performance Package.

-With the SVT Perf Pack it gets the thinner stripes.

-Without SVT Perf Pack gets the, previously used, thicker stripes.