2010 Mustang

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

Don't underestimate the STANG , they are the MARKET LEADERS for a reason and will do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to maintain that LEADERSHIP with VERY AGGRESSIVE PRICING too I might add

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Market leaders in a market where the only competition is itself? Impressive.....






j/k

I'm saying this at risk of sounding like a fanboy 'cause of the car I drive, but whatever. The fact is the Mustang had higher sales than any F-body around the time of the Camaro's departure. Just facts. The current Mustang outsells Chargers and 350Zs by a particularly wide margin.

I'm looking forward to seeing if the Challenger has put even a small dent in Mustang sales. We'll see soon enough I suppose.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

" Ford's current strategy calls for at least a 250 pound weight reduction in the 2010 Mustang " if this is correct then GM has some serious competition ( the OBESE DODGE won't even be a threat lol) on there hands a Mustang GT coming in at say 3250 pounds with a 5.0 L would be VERY FAST indeed

This makes sense to me in that this is a way all manufacturers should go. I mean, if you want to reduce emissions and raise fuel efficiency, I think the internal combustion engine can only go so far. The next step, in my mind, is smaller displacement with forced induction (FI). If you've got enough money, I think the smaller engine, with the FI parts might be able to be lower in weight than a larger V8. Use more aluminum in the chassis and suspension and such and you'll loose more. Shoot, with the way batteries are coming along (Volt) maybe smaller-lighter batteries.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Market leaders in a market where the only competition is itself? Impressive.....

j/k

I don't even need to add anything to that, LOL!!!

Originally Posted by nester7929

I'm saying this at risk of sounding like a fanboy 'cause of the car I drive, but whatever. The fact is the Mustang had higher sales than any F-body around the time of the Camaro's departure. Just facts. The current Mustang outsells Chargers and 350Zs by a particularly wide margin.

I'm looking forward to seeing if the Challenger has put even a small dent in Mustang sales. We'll see soon enough I suppose.

I don't think there's even a debate in your statements. Absolutely, Mustang has dominated but I don't think it will for much longer. I think GM has been keeping Camaro in the spotlight enough to keep many people interested and I know there are some faithful that went over to alternative cars in Camaro's segment because there was nothing for the last seven years, but that's going to change pretty quick. I think if GM can produce enough to keep the crowds happy, do what they can to control rediculous pricing, and promote the car more toward the average person, they will have success. Fanboy - yup, don't care; look at the site we're on. I don't know how it will affect Mustang sales, but I know it will AT LEAST a little.

The next year is going to be very interesting and exciting in the car world I think, despite the economy and whatever. No one scares me with gas prices; I'll find a way to make up for those. Just give me this car with too much power and I'll be happier than a pig in you-know-what

[porcupinekiller]

A new Mustang design has more of an effect on Mustang sales the introduction of a new model from a competeng brand. Mustang sales for 2004 dropped off dramatically after the reveal of the 2005 model. I don't think the re-introduction of the Challenger and Camaro will have much impact on Mustang sales. Other economic factors may also come into play (ie:fuel prices) that will affect all pony/muscle cars. Next year is going to be a very cool year for all muscle car fanatics!!!

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by syr74

You can choose to believe it or not....but this is how it will break down.

2011 GT will weight more than the current model, but not by much due to a heavier engine and transmission. (think a bit less than 100lb) The chassis will be lighter. All weight gain will be due to the heavier drive-line and increased feature content. (2010 GT could weigh less than the current model since it will use the new chassis and the old 4.6L,5M which is lighter than the 5.0L, 6M coming for the 2011MY, but increased feature content makes this uncertain.)

2011 V6 model will weigh less than the current model, with both the chassis and drive-line weighing less overall than the current car.

An interesting aside, Ford's current strategy calls for all cars to lose at least 250lb during their next, major redesign...including the Mustang. That means Ford's goal weight for the upcoming, GRWD-based Mustang GT due in the 2012-2013MY is roughly 3250-3300lb in base trim. And that is a minimum goal weight for the next model. Whether they can hit that mark or not is another question altogether.

Yet, you still mention nothing about how the current Mustang is nowhere near new safety standards and how this plays into that whole "weighing less" thing. The Mustang will weigh less than the Camaro or Challenger of course, for obvious reasons I won't go into, but if you really think that difference is more than 200lbs you're dreaming.

[TonytheTiger]

Ford has to relize that its retro car shit is getting old. Even if this is not a real photo. You can fool someone sometimes but you can't fool everybody all the time.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by TonytheTiger

Ford has to relize that its retro car shit is getting old. Even if this is not a real photo. You can fool someone sometimes but you can't fool everybody all the time.

The "retro car ****" that Ford started is responsible for the resurgence in muscle that is giving us these well-made updates. And I hope it's not getting old yet, otherwise the Camaro is DOA.

[TonytheTiger]

On the mustangs side. And even if the retro mustang never came out i think the new camaro would have had to come out some time.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by TonytheTiger

On the mustangs side. And even if the retro mustang never came out i think the new camaro would have had to come out some time.

not at all the mustang brought the interest needed to bring this car out...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

not at all the mustang brought the interest needed to bring this car out...

There was interest in another Camaro without the Mustang. It's success was just another reason to do it, there were plenty others.

I don't know how I'd gauge the new Mustang on the Retro-scale. Certainly less than it is now...but fwiw, the Camaro's barely on that scale at all, imo -- there's too much 'new' in its design to be considered retro to me.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

There was interest in another Camaro without the Mustang. It's success was just another reason to do it, there were plenty others.

I don't know how I'd gauge the new Mustang on the Retro-scale. Certainly less than it is now...but fwiw, the Camaro's barely on that scale at all, imo -- there's too much 'new' in its design to be considered retro to me.

I didnt mean it in that sense, I just meant it helped.

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

I didnt mean it in that sense, I just meant it helped.

oh we know what you meant kevin.....but we still love you......

[kevin2323]

love is all that matters to me.... ...ummm i mean boats and hoes...

[syr74]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Yet, you still mention nothing about how the current Mustang is nowhere near new safety standards and how this plays into that whole "weighing less" thing. The Mustang will weigh less than the Camaro or Challenger of course, for obvious reasons I won't go into, but if you really think that difference is more than 200lbs you're dreaming.

I think you've fallen victim to wishful thinking. Any regulations the Mustang might have serious issues with, and the new regulations aren't nearly as radical as many seem to want to believe, don't go fully into effect until the 2013 calender year or later, by which point the revised S197 model will itself have been replaced.

There will be a 300lb difference, at a minimum, between the V8 Mustang and the V8 Camaro even after the heavier 5.0L debuts.