Challenger falling behind in road courses?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by a_Username

They've finally broken 12's? Alright, let's see them break 12.6's and then we'll talk. But brokinarrow was right, this thread is about its track capabilities. So when you can beat a Madza3 we'll talk lol, low blow but it was a must.

lol .....so now breaking into the 12s isnt enough....before it was '' lets see it break into the 12s''

this convo is turning fanboyish....i

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

SRT8 or R/T Challenger, neither has broken into the 12s bone stock. Camaros are doing it quite frequently. And the SRT8 has been out two years longer than the Camaro. How is that "neck and neck"?

do your research the srt8 has gone into the 12s stock....(manual)hint hint

some advice for you
stop reading motortrend or any of the bias crap magazine out there.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

lol .....so now breaking into the 12s isnt enough....before it was '' lets see it break into the 12s''

this convo is turning fanboyish....i

Where's a link to this SRT8 breaking 12's? You can break into 12's, but it still stands the SS is the indisputable superior to the SRT8. Actually I'm not fanboyish at all, I'll give credit where credit is due. However, if there is two equal cars that are offered then yes I'll go with the Bowtie.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I hate when people say it before I do. Also, the Challengers have had 2+ years to get close, by your standards, while the Camaro hasn't even gotten out of its first model year yet. You'll see the gap starting to widen even more here in the next year or two.

what do you mean 2 years? the camaro wasnt out so there was no need to improve....dodge played it great coming out with the challenger before the camaro....made money off of it...especially the challenger being a low production car.

oh and like i said to the other guy.....do your homework and you will see that the gap isnt going to move due to the simple fact that dodge has its on 500hp motor coming in next year....oh yea thats a year earlier than the camaro. that should please you.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Where's a link to this SRT8 breaking 12's? You can break into 12's, but it still stands the SS is the indisputable superior to the SRT8. Actually I'm not fanboyish at all, I'll give credit where credit is due. However, if there is two equal cars that are offered then yes I'll go with the Bowtie.

i have said all along overall..the camaro is superior...but i absolutely hate when people start acting as if the challenger doesnt do 0-60 in 4.7-auto or act as if it isnt anywhere near the camaro......

[DGthe3]

alright, bickering is over now. Camaro SS is faster than the Challenger in the 1/4 mile. This thread is about circuit performance, not straight line.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

what do you mean 2 years? the camaro wasnt out so there was no need to improve....dodge played it great coming out with the challenger before the camaro....made money off of it...especially the challenger being a low production car.

oh and like i said to the other guy.....do your homework and you will see that the gap isnt going to move due to the simple fact that dodge has its on 500hp motor coming in next year....oh yea thats a year earlier than the camaro. that should please you.

I'd hope the top of line Challenger can compete with the Camaro's mid-entry level car (SS). The SRT8 is supposed to compete with the Challenger, while the R/T competes with the SS. I hope they do outperform the SS considering the price difference, or that would just be an insult to Chrysler. Also, you'll need a lot more than horsepower to actually beat a Mazda3 around a track. Chrysler has really dropped the ball on performance IMO.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

stop reading motortrend or any of the bias crap magazine out there.

FYI, we just had this discussion on this site recently. None of the Dodge guys could show a bone stock SRT8 Challenger breaking into the 12s.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'd hope the top of line Challenger can compete with the Camaro's mid-entry level car (SS). The SRT8 is supposed to compete with the Challenger, while the R/T competes with the SS. I hope they do outperform the SS considering the price difference, or that would just be an insult to Chrysler. Also, you'll need a lot more than horsepower to actually beat a Mazda3 around a track. Chrysler has really dropped the ball on performance IMO.

the thing you dont get is chrysler doesnt care.....its a low production model....they are satisfied with making a fast car that looks good....oh and the camaro barely beat the mazda so i dont think you can really say the camaro did all that well on its supposed great platform....the challenger is on a pure sedan platform....hence why it isnt a good track car.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by a_Username

The SRT8 is supposed to compete with the Challenger, while the R/T competes with the SS. I hope they do outperform the SS considering the price difference, or that would just be an insult to Chrysler.

Right now the SS outperforms the SRT in a straight line and at a track. And for about $10k less.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

FYI, we just had this discussion on this site recently. None of the Dodge guys could show a bone stock SRT8 Challenger breaking into the 12s.

do your hw....im not gonna do it for you

the mods said get back on topic....im just saying

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Right now the SS outperforms the SRT in a straight line and at a track. And for about $10k less.

me nor chrysler care due to the simple fact that its a low volume car...it doesnt need to sell 100k a year like the camaro does....they build less than 30k a year.
oh and price out a fully loaded srt to a camaro and see how far the gap is in price.

and again lets get back on topic....

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

do your hw....im not gonna do it for you

the mods said get back on topic....im just saying

Wow, just the type of reply I'd expect from a Dodge fanboi. Make claims you can't back up, and when challenged to prove them say it's the other guys job to prove your claims.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

me nor chrysler care due to the simple fact that its a low volume car...it doesnt need to sell 100k a year like the camaro does....they build less than 30k a year.
oh and price out a fully loaded srt to a camaro and see how far the gap is in price.

and again lets get back on topic....

We just had this discussion on Chrysler keeping the Challenger low volume and how stupid Chrysler is. Their sales numbers are in the toilet, yet the one car they have that is in demand enough to command dealer markups is the car they limit production on.

Of course options will narrow the price gap. But a base model 1SS is $10k cheaper than a base model SRT. And it outperforms the SRT on the track and at the strip. And it gets better gas mileage too.