and you thought your ticket was bad..... - Page 4

Nicholas · 01-08-2010, 04:26 PM

Read this about an hour ago...lol

drtwo · 01-08-2010, 06:32 PM

Germany did do this when I lived there and it is not based on the price of the car (which some seem to be confused about) rather the INCOME of the driver. It then hurts equally across all income levels

wildpaws · 01-08-2010, 08:31 PM

If you really want an eyeopener, check some of the DUI laws/penalties in Europe.
Clyde

PieNsky · 01-08-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by drtwo

I like the idea of income based fines. It seems that the less fortunate are always more affected by a ticket than the snotty rich guy that feels a ticket is pocket change. I guess this guy may think twice.

I totally agree, however it would never work over here as the courts would have to write me a check as I'm so poor

kismyss · 01-08-2010, 09:18 PM

will it really stick though. Seems like he could also afford a top notch attorney. That may be the fine was assesed but what amount did he pay after appeal

brjray · 01-08-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jtzako

I'm pretty sure Germany does this also. It is a Percentage based on your income. Even tailgating tickets can get into the 10s of thousands.

If it’s anything like Germany 85mph through a village deserves to lose their license! I’ve driven there twice in the past 3 years and the roads (2 lanes no shoulder and a good sized ditch) were 80 km/h just outside town and when you hit a village it drops to about 35 km/h. Even 35 km/h feels fast because you are winding through tight roads in a town that wasn't designed to have a road. Keep in mind most of the buildings in these towns were built long before the car came along. The town I was staying in was called a town in 1181 and had settlers back in 5000BC!!! In some areas I had to pull off the side to let a car go by because 2 vehicles wouldn't fit. Also, there are roundabouts everywhere which was awesome because when you’re in the middle of nowhere what is the point of stopping!?!?

Village roads are basically like driving on a 2 lane driveway that wind through random buildings and pedestrians are everywhere during the day. I didn't know any of this before I went. It was a blast driving over there though. My work rented us a Mercedes van (sprinter equivalent) that had a turbo diesel with a 6 speed manual. With all the curves in the road it was fun going through the gears even though it was pretty damn slow. They also have speed cameras everywhere but they warn you when one is coming up. My boss sped over there thinking f' it I don’t even have a license here... They mailed my work the ticket in the US!!! It had a picture of him driving and a picture of the back of the van with the plate. They traced it all the way through the rental company!! Germans, so meticulous! Also, the majority of Germany was farming areas like Iowa or Nebraska. Obviously the bigger towns were good size but once you leave town it was extremely rural.

Cool side thought.. People can legally drive ATVs on the roads in Germany!!! During the morning/evening commute I saw 3 or 4 every day riding to / from work with backpacks carrying all their work things.

a_Username · 01-08-2010, 10:21 PM

Yes punish the guy for having money lol. He definitely deserved the ticket though...

Rocketright · 01-08-2010, 10:57 PM

Thats a bit much if you ask me.

Tal · 01-08-2010, 11:27 PM

I actually agree with the idea of scaling traffice fines relative to wealth and/or income but 1% of your net wealth for 85 in a 50 is just the court robbing the guy.

RCLapCar · 01-09-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tal

I actually agree with the idea of scaling traffice fines relative to wealth and/or income but 1% of your net wealth for 85 in a 50 is just the court robbing the guy.

Keep in mind the article says that he is a repeat offender. Most places that means the fine/punishment gets larger each time.

Captain Awesome · 01-09-2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by drtwo

I like the idea of income based fines. It seems that the less fortunate are always more affected by a ticket than the snotty rich guy that feels a ticket is pocket change. I guess this guy may think twice.

This is completely WRONG.

Driving is a privalege NOT a right.

So... the "income based fine" is just another way for the nanny state to take something that doesn't belong to them.

The CORRECT course of action is to fine the person the normal fine that everyone else pays and because he's a repeat offender then you take away his license. That is the ONLY legitimate and justified punishment.

The idea is not to take advantage of someone's wealth to stick them with some arbitrary fine so that the municipality can get a windfall and spend it like a politician!

Sir Nuke · 01-09-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mlee

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1358761

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

linky no worky....

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Originally Posted by ljustin293

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Originally Posted by mlee

LMAO

I should know better... never call out a mod..

WELL, I posted the original thread TWO DAYS AGO.......30 minutes after it went public......hmmmmmm well I guess we peeons don't count, do we. NOT TO MENTION, my thread was put in the CORRECT FORUM.....OFF TOPIC.

Tal · 01-09-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Driving is a privalege NOT a right.

True but irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

So... the "income based fine" is just another way for the nanny state to take something that doesn't belong to them.

The CORRECT course of action is to fine the person the normal fine that everyone else pays and because he's a repeat offender then you take away his license. That is the ONLY legitimate and justified punishment.

The idea is not to take advantage of someone's wealth to stick them with some arbitrary fine so that the municipality can get a windfall and spend it like a politician!

A strong argument can be made along those lines when talking about taxes but if you are going to have monetary penalties for breaking laws it makes perfect sense to scale them relative to the individuals wealth. When they don't scale you have to choose between fines that are so small that they aren't a meaningful penalty to those with wealth or fines so large that even minor infractions will be unaffordable by those with less. It's exactly the same reason that the person's wealth is an important part of setting bail amounts.

Mark25 · 01-09-2010, 01:25 PM

cabg2, you wouldn't being saying that if you were a millionaire...it just like taxes in the U.S. Sure, I make a little more than you're average person, but do I use the services (i.e. roads, police, fire, etc.,) more than anyone else? Of course not...but I still have to pay higher taxes...everyone should pay the same price to live in this country...and if you can't, then oh, well...you'll have to go somewhere else (plenty of other countries out there in the world).
If the speeder was driving a piece of crap (since he couldn't afford a Ferrari) 35MPH over the speed limit, then he is just as dangerous as the millionaire and both should pay the same fee. That's equality!

Just like on the reality show Survivor...so many people believe that the person who NEEDs the million dollars should get it...sorry, it's the person who outwit, outplayed, etc., the other Survivors, regardless if that person is a pauper or a millionaire, should receive the money.

01-08-2010, 06:32 PM	#44
drtwo Drives: 2SS RS Yellow, Raptor, Vrod Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South Dakota Posts: 599 View My Garage	Germany did do this when I lived there and it is not based on the price of the car (which some seem to be confused about) rather the INCOME of the driver. It then hurts equally across all income levels __________________ 2SS RS Rally Yellow, LS3, M6, sunroof, extra on the fast!

01-08-2010, 04:26 PM	#43
Nicholas Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Beaumont, Texas Posts: 119	Read this about an hour ago...lol

01-08-2010, 08:31 PM	#45
wildpaws Drives: 1999 Blazer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,228	If you really want an eyeopener, check some of the DUI laws/penalties in Europe. Clyde

01-08-2010, 09:18 PM	#47
kismyss Drives: CGM 2SS Roto-Fab CAI, Mach XL CAT Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Cypress TX Posts: 251	will it really stick though. Seems like he could also afford a top notch attorney. That may be the fine was assesed but what amount did he pay after appeal

01-08-2010, 10:21 PM	#49
a_Username Drives: 2010 2SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 3,890 View My Garage	Yes punish the guy for having money lol. He definitely deserved the ticket though...

01-08-2010, 10:57 PM	#50
Rocketright Drives: 2006 Acura RSX - S Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 191	Thats a bit much if you ask me.

01-08-2010, 11:27 PM	#51
Tal Drives: Old Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OK Posts: 726	I actually agree with the idea of scaling traffice fines relative to wealth and/or income but 1% of your net wealth for 85 in a 50 is just the court robbing the guy.

01-09-2010, 01:25 PM	#56
Mark25 Drives: 2001 Corvette, 2006 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2009 Location: Virginia Beach VA Posts: 135	cabg2, you wouldn't being saying that if you were a millionaire...it just like taxes in the U.S. Sure, I make a little more than you're average person, but do I use the services (i.e. roads, police, fire, etc.,) more than anyone else? Of course not...but I still have to pay higher taxes...everyone should pay the same price to live in this country...and if you can't, then oh, well...you'll have to go somewhere else (plenty of other countries out there in the world). If the speeder was driving a piece of crap (since he couldn't afford a Ferrari) 35MPH over the speed limit, then he is just as dangerous as the millionaire and both should pay the same fee. That's equality! Just like on the reality show Survivor...so many people believe that the person who NEEDs the million dollars should get it...sorry, it's the person who outwit, outplayed, etc., the other Survivors, regardless if that person is a pauper or a millionaire, should receive the money.