Why is there no midsize diesel truck? - Page 4

springerpete · 01-06-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

That's why you need a good priced diesel lol

And just curious... but what exactly can you do in a Silverado that you can't do in a Tacoma?

Pull this trailer!

Zeus · 01-06-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Lets imagine the following scenario. You and 4 friends (I mentioned 3 but 4 works for me) are going on a one week fishing trip. You'll be staying in a cabin so you don't need to bring shelter. You do need to bring your fishing gear, boat (and trailer), clothing, food, beer, and what ever else.

The Tacoma has a max payload capacity of 1350 lbs, and this includes passengers, gear, and tongue weight from the trailer. Max tongue weight is generally listed as 350, unless you have the tow package where its 650. That leaves 200 lbs per person, including everyones stuff. Hope everyone packs light and you don't need a BBQ.

Keep in mind that if this car offered a more powerful diesel then none of this would be an issue.... which is my point. I'm not arguing for the Tacoma as much as I am a midsized diesel truck option.

Plus those numbers appear to be grossly under rated. It says the towing capacity is 3500lbs, but in this review they drove one through the desert towing a 5000lb trailer and they said it did great.

coolman · 01-06-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Keep in mind that if this car offered a more powerful diesel then none of this would be an issue.... which is my point. I'm not arguing for the Tacoma as much as I am a midsized diesel truck option.

I think your out numbered on this one Zeus. Keep in mind if they would build a midsized truck to do the job of a full size truck their're would be no difference.
Because, the everything else on the truck would have to be heavier duty to support the new diesel. Plus we're americans, we go big or go home.(figured I would throw that in before someone else does. Not Really my point of view)

Zeus · 01-06-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by coolman

I think your out numbered on this one Zeus. Keep in mind if they would build a midsized truck to do the job of a full size truck their're would be no difference.
Because, the everything else on the truck would have to be heavier duty to support the new diesel. Plus we're americans, we go big or go home.(figured I would throw that in before someone else does. Not Really my point of view)

I think that has more to do with it than anything else....

coolman · 01-06-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

I think that has more to do with it than anything else....

Zeus · 01-06-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by coolman

Hey I'm not apposed... one of my best friends has a BIG Dodge turbo diesel putting down about 1200lbft........... That's a badass truck...

I just think we need another Hilux

*DGthe3* · 01-06-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Keep in mind that if this car offered a more powerful diesel then none of this would be an issue.... which is my point. I'm not arguing for the Tacoma as much as I am a midsized diesel truck option.

Plus those numbers appear to be grossly under rated. It says the towing capacity is 3500lbs, but in this review they drove one through the desert towing a 5000lb trailer and they said it did great.

A stronger engine will help with towing, but not vehicle capacity. Towing capacity varies greatly with drive train selection, but the non-towing capacity stays fairly constant and actually decreases with anything that adds weight to the truck, like larger engines or 4 wheel drive. If you add 200 lbs of engine, you need to remove 200 lbs of payload capacity. You might gain 500 lbs towing but you can't put as much stuff in the truck itself.

springerpete · 01-06-2010, 10:09 PM

I think where ya'll are separated is some of you are working a truck and ohters are playing a truck hard.

I work my truck. It is usually hooked to a trailer that is at least a 5000# trailer. My 24ft enclosed unloaded weighs in at 3500# unloaded and my travel trailer is 12,000#. I used to have a 2500HD but pulling too many large trailers tend to have a "wag the dog" effect, so I bought a dually.

If all you are going to pull is a bumper pull trailer then a Tacoma or variant is fine. If you are going to use a truck for what they are made for then going domestic full size is the only way to go. I am hearing good things about the full size Nissans though. The gas mileage on the V8's on those are not as good as the domestics.

What I'm waiting on is a GM diesel SUV. The Yukon we have gets terrible mileage at 14-16mpg and it's underpowered even with the 6.0L.

Zeus · 01-06-2010, 10:18 PM

lol

springerpete · 01-06-2010, 10:41 PM

What's your point?

Zeus · 01-06-2010, 10:43 PM

no point, just found the video, thought it was funny how the numbers mean so little out in the dirt... but hey a millford proving grounds video... I wonder how thats going to be slanted lol

Anyways upon googling 'mid sized diesel truck' I found a bunch of people talking about how GM and Ford were making Diesel V6's.... got excited... then saw the thread was from 2005.

Dammit.

Side Note:

How does the Silverado 2500HD Compare to the Dodge Cummins turbo diesel?

nova · 01-07-2010, 10:33 AM

If you have to go urea injection, crap like this might play a factor as well...

http://jalopnik.com/5441978/294-bill...f-us-consumers

Zeus · 01-07-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nova

If you have to go urea injection, crap like this might play a factor as well...

http://jalopnik.com/5441978/294-bill...f-us-consumers

Nothing like a little synthetic piss in the tail pipes...

Now I have never heard of anyone having to do this with an American truck... am I wrong?

*CamaroSpike23* · 01-07-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

That's a stock Tacoma pulling around a 5,000lb trailer through the desert in 115 degree heat....

The diesel engine with all its torque would be a BIG plus on power and capability... The suspension is the strong point of the Tacoma right now, so it wouldn't need a ton of beefing.

you might/could pull more, but that doesnt mean you can carrymore. also keep in mind the weight of a diesel (depending on how much power you are wanting). you could put a smaller diesel in the truck to keep weight down, but then you are reducing the power output as well.

its more than just the suspension that is involved with payload and towing capability, the whole structure of the truck would need upgrading in order to haul more.

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Originally Posted by nova

If you have to go urea injection, crap like this might play a factor as well...

http://jalopnik.com/5441978/294-bill...f-us-consumers

urea is pricey.

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Nothing like a little synthetic piss in the tail pipes...

Now I have never heard of anyone having to do this with an American truck... am I wrong?

urea injection is a PITA, the new cummins 6.7L motors have been designed to meet the new emissions requirements without the use of urea

and their future counterparts are being designed to continue on past the 2015 emissions req without urea and a whole slew of new tech.

01-06-2010, 10:09 PM	#50
springerpete Orange GM freak Drives: 2004 3500HD Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ponca City, OK Posts: 784 View My Garage	I think where ya'll are separated is some of you are working a truck and ohters are playing a truck hard. I work my truck. It is usually hooked to a trailer that is at least a 5000# trailer. My 24ft enclosed unloaded weighs in at 3500# unloaded and my travel trailer is 12,000#. I used to have a 2500HD but pulling too many large trailers tend to have a "wag the dog" effect, so I bought a dually. If all you are going to pull is a bumper pull trailer then a Tacoma or variant is fine. If you are going to use a truck for what they are made for then going domestic full size is the only way to go. I am hearing good things about the full size Nissans though. The gas mileage on the V8's on those are not as good as the domestics. What I'm waiting on is a GM diesel SUV. The Yukon we have gets terrible mileage at 14-16mpg and it's underpowered even with the 6.0L. __________________ "My hair's turnin' White, my neck is still Red and my collar is still Blue"

01-06-2010, 10:43 PM	#53
Zeus BOOOOOM MF'R!! Drives: to Chipotle daily Join Date: May 2009 Location: Flo-Rida Posts: 3,614	no point, just found the video, thought it was funny how the numbers mean so little out in the dirt... but hey a millford proving grounds video... I wonder how thats going to be slanted lol Anyways upon googling 'mid sized diesel truck' I found a bunch of people talking about how GM and Ford were making Diesel V6's.... got excited... then saw the thread was from 2005. Dammit. Side Note: How does the Silverado 2500HD Compare to the Dodge Cummins turbo diesel? Last edited by Zeus; 01-06-2010 at 11:01 PM.

01-07-2010, 10:33 AM	#54
nova Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS, VR, PW, WR Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 838 View My Garage	If you have to go urea injection, crap like this might play a factor as well... http://jalopnik.com/5441978/294-bill...f-us-consumers __________________ 2010 2SS/RS, M6,VR,White Rally's,Polished Wheels Mods: skip shift eliminator (hey everybody's gotta start somewhere ) crappily painted engine cover...

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