OK....... well remember that CTS-V Challenge?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by nova

For twice the price, it better cook and do laundry as well as other "services" not just be faster....

If I was going to spend $120K on a car, it definitely should include Jenna Jameson skilled reach arounds.

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Hmm... three other CTS-V's in front of the M3 that "kinda won." And if BMW was so confident, it would had sent professional drivers, or whatever they think they would have needed to in order to prove that the M3 is the best sports sedan in the world.

And if Cadillac and Bob Lutz were confident, then they wouldn't have needed to bring their engineers and professional drivers along to make sure that the CTS-V didn't lose to an amateur in another car.
I can just imagine how it went
Bob Lutz after seeing Michael Cooper's run:
"Uh-oh, a 21 year old in his Bimmer just beat me and the journalists. We've lost........ to BMW.......again..........NO!!!!!!!!!!QUICK, BRING OUT THE RINGERS, WE HAVE TO BEAT THAT BIMMER! THIS IS CADILLAC!!!!!!!"

[1320junkie]

I gave him a chance...Troll Hunter's Inc.........

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by Zeus

It doesn't say who Brian Redman is, but if he doesn't work for GM then he is the only amateur driver to beat Cooper.

not specifically directed at you, just the forum in General....

The lack of racing knowledge is painful!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Redman

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

not specifically directed at you, just the forum in General....

The lack of racing knowledge is painful!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Redman

I have to agree with you to an extent. For racing discussions I hang out the the road course racing/drag racing areas of the forum.

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

I have to agree with you to an extent. For racing discussions I hang out the the road course racing/drag racing areas of the forum.

Of course i don't expect everyone here to be an expert but I figured SOMEONE would have caught that in 3 pages of replies lol...

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Of course i don't expect everyone to be an expert but I figured SOMEONE would have cought that in 3 pages of replies lol...

If you just sit back and watch sometimes it's quite amusing...then you realize who to have an indepth convo with or just keep it surface..lol

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

I gave him a chance...Troll Hunter's Inc.........

Noice.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

And if Cadillac and Bob Lutz were confident, then they wouldn't have needed to bring their engineers and professional drivers along to make sure that the CTS-V didn't lose to an amateur in another car.
I can just imagine how it went
Bob Lutz after seeing Michael Cooper's run:
"Uh-oh, a 21 year old in his Bimmer just beat me and the journalists. We've lost........ to BMW.......again..........NO!!!!!!!!!!QUICK, BRING OUT THE RINGERS, WE HAVE TO BEAT THAT BIMMER! THIS IS CADILLAC!!!!!!!"

I would reply... but you're banned so I win.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I would reply... but you're banned so I win.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

And if Cadillac and Bob Lutz were confident, then they wouldn't have needed to bring their engineers and professional drivers along to make sure that the CTS-V didn't lose to an amateur in another car.
I can just imagine how it went
Bob Lutz after seeing Michael Cooper's run:
"Uh-oh, a 21 year old in his Bimmer just beat me and the journalists. We've lost........ to BMW.......again..........NO!!!!!!!!!!QUICK, BRING OUT THE RINGERS, WE HAVE TO BEAT THAT BIMMER! THIS IS CADILLAC!!!!!!!"

Originally Posted by a_Username

I would reply... but you're banned so I win.

I'll reply anyway. GM is confident. We have no background on this guy, but we can be sure that this driver probably has more skill than the average amateur. I would go so far as to guess that he's been to several tracks and earned a few trophies in a few amateur divisions. The principle of the challenge still stands. The CTS-V is a beast. A guy in a BMW beat Bob Lutz, a senior employee of GM. Do we really expect GM's top personnel to spend their time racing? I'd rather leave them to running the company into the future rather than into the ground. Some people will claim that Lutz was too bold to offer this challenge. Some will say that his loss to this driver who's barely old enough to hit the bar for a victory drink after the challenge punctuates the failure of GM to deliver the fastest luxury sedan—actually, make that all-encompassing sedan, not just luxury—in the world. I would argue that this campaign has served an important purpose. It made even the great and respected automakers take aim at GM. Until Lutz issued the challenge, no one had a reason to beat his track time. They didn't have a chance to lose to a CTS-V; to realize its performance prowess; to discover that GM truly makes a world class performance and luxury sedan that makes the hyped M3 a frequent loser despite its record against other great products.

Lutz lost to a kid who probably has better reflexes and more recent experience driving at high speeds. As I said, Lutz has a job at GM that I expect he spends a lot of time performing. This doesn't spell out the end of GM. I'm not crying at night, and neither is anyone else who rightly thinks that GM truly competes with and oftentimes defeats the best. Without this challenge, this kid could not have so easily been so recognized for his exemplary driving by BMW. It turned out well for him. Without this challenge, the CTS-V might not have so many other companies desperately trying to keep up. It's a marketing campaign. It promotes a product. Without this challenge, and perhaps this single loss, none of us might be paying attention. In the end, Lutz still wins.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I'll reply anyway. GM is confident. We have no background on this guy, but we can be sure that this driver probably has more skill than the average amateur. I would go so far as to guess that he's been to several tracks and earned a few trophies in a few amateur divisions. The principle of the challenge still stands. The CTS-V is a beast. A guy in a BMW beat Bob Lutz, a senior employee of GM. Do we really expect GM's top personnel to spend their time racing? I'd rather leave them to running the company into the future rather than into the ground. Some people will claim that Lutz was too bold to offer this challenge. Some will say that his loss to this driver who's barely old enough to hit the bar for a victory drink after the challenge punctuates the failure of GM to deliver the fastest luxury sedan—actually, make that all-encompassing sedan, not just luxury—in the world. I would argue that this campaign has served an important purpose. It made even the great and respected automakers take aim at GM. Until Lutz issued the challenge, no one had a reason to beat his track time. They didn't have a chance to lose to a CTS-V; to realize its performance prowess; to discover that GM truly makes a world class performance and luxury sedan that makes the hyped M3 a frequent loser despite its record against other great products.

Lutz lost to a kid who probably has better reflexes and more recent experience driving at high speeds. As I said, Lutz has a job at GM that I expect he spends a lot of time performing. This doesn't spell out the end of GM. I'm not crying at night, and neither is anyone else who rightly thinks that GM truly competes with and oftentimes defeats the best. Without this challenge, this kid could not have so easily been so recognized for his exemplary driving by BMW. It turned out well for him. Without this challenge, the CTS-V might not have so many other companies desperately trying to keep up. It's a marketing campaign. It promotes a product. Without this challenge, and perhaps this single loss, none of us might be paying attention. In the end, Lutz still wins.

I would like to add that Lutz lost the race, not the CTS-V. People are taking this as the CTS-V losing, and obviously it is Lutz who lost. (Again idk why BMW is so cheery about finally beating a 77 year old man? His age has everything to do with it. That's just like saying you playing Peyton Manning when he's 80 years old and beating him and thinking you are the better football player lol.)

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

The ultimate way to win an internet argument, wait until he's banned lol.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I would like to add that Lutz lost the race, not the CTS-V. People are taking this as the CTS-V losing, and obviously it is Lutz who lost. (Again idk why BMW is so cheery about finally beating a 77 year old man? His age has everything to do with it. That's just like saying you playing Peyton Manning when he's 80 years old and beating him and thinking you are the better football player lol.)

That's exactly it. The M3 did not defeat the best time of the CTS-V. It defeated a man who, as I indicated, probably has worse reflexes and still managed to put up a respectable time in the CTS-V. Lutz lost the race but won the advertising campaign. People still see the CTS-V as the car to beat, and they're having a hell of a time doing it.