Electric Vehicles

[0stones0]

“Fake exhaust” because….
There are so many reasons to try and make sense of that and just as many reasons to just scratch your head and think…wtf?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by snizzle

Yeah, I don't really understand this car. We've all established BEVs can be fast and this one desperately tries to bring in the sensory experience (Fratzonic "exhaust".... um what?).... but, I don't know if you can sell the muscle car gear heads on this in much the same way that automakers are struggling to sell BEV trucks to loyal truck buyers for obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by 0stones0

“Fake exhaust” because….
There are so many reasons to try and make sense of that and just as many reasons to just scratch your head and think…wtf?

Just a point of clarification. Fratzonic should probably be described as a “derived” exhaust as opposed to a fake exhaust. It’s not computer generated or enhanced like so many exhausts are today. Stellantis worked to optimize the aero on the car. In doing that they realized they would have to carefully define air paths under the vehicle. While designing these air paths, they decided to be clever and position the baffles in a way that naturally makes noises that increase and decrease in sound level and pitch as the vehicle accelerates and decelerates. Then they tuned it to be more aggressive. So the sounds are organic, not synthesized.

But what about the piped in sound during the reveal event at M1 Concourse? Probably one of the stupidest PR moves Stellantis has ever made. The vehicle they revealed was barely a roller. It was capable of about 5 mph. Not enough to demonstrate Fratzonic. So for that event they did pipe in the sound so naturally everyone concludes that the production vehicle is piped in sound. They really didn’t do themselves any favors with that one.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

They nailed it.

There is nothing not to like except, for some people, the EV part. So this is the car that will tell us how many muscle car buyers are open to going EV. I predict not many, but I do think it is a really cool car so maybe I'll be surprised.

BTW - If you go to the configurator you can hear the fake exhaust, which is actually pretty good except for the start up. They made it sound like you're starting a turbine engine

https://www.dodge.com/next-gen-charg...figurator.html

If the speaker blows after the warranty is up do you take it to a mechanic for a tune up or Best Buy for a new stereo?

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Just a point of clarification. Fratzonic should probably be described as a “derived” exhaust as opposed to a fake exhaust. It’s not computer generated or enhanced like so many exhausts are today. Stellantis worked to optimize the aero on the car. In doing that they realized they would have to carefully define air paths under the vehicle. While designing these air paths, they decided to be clever and position the baffles in a way that naturally makes noises that increase and decrease in sound level and pitch as the vehicle accelerates and decelerates. Then they tuned it to be more aggressive. So the sounds are organic, not synthesized.

But what about the piped in sound during the reveal event at M1 Concourse? Probably one of the stupidest PR moves Stellantis has ever made. The vehicle they revealed was barely a roller. It was capable of about 5 mph. Not enough to demonstrate Fratzonic. So for that event they did pipe in the sound so naturally everyone concludes that the production vehicle is piped in sound. They really didn’t do themselves any favors with that one.

So is what they have on the configurator not what the actual car is going to do? On the configurator it "starts up" and revs.

Edit: Google says it is both - chambers under the cars and a 600w amp, subwoofers, and speakers

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by olrocker

If the speaker blows after the warranty is up do you take it to a mechanic for a tune up or Best Buy for a new stereo?

Or look at it this way, to upgrade your exhaust instead of having to buy headers and new mufflers you just have to get a bigger amp and subwoofer!

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Or look at it this way, to upgrade your exhaust instead of having to buy headers and new mufflers you just have to get a bigger amp and subwoofer!

The next Charger Hellcat Demon

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

So is what they have on the configurator not what the actual car is going to do? On the configurator it "starts up" and revs.

Edit: Google says it is both - chambers under the cars and a 600w amp, subwoofers, and speakers

What I am speaking off generates a natural sound outside the vehicle that can also be heard inside the vehicle. I think the amp, subs, and speakers amplify that sound in the cabin. At least that was how it was explained to me last year.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

What I am speaking off generates a natural sound outside the vehicle that can also be heard inside the vehicle. I think the amp, subs, and speakers amplify that sound in the cabin. At least that was how it was explained to me last year.

Everything is "AI" now... even sound, scary times we live in these days.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

What I am speaking off generates a natural sound outside the vehicle that can also be heard inside the vehicle. I think the amp, subs, and speakers amplify that sound in the cabin. At least that was how it was explained to me last year.

"The Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust technology employs a series of chambers strategically placed underneath the Dodge Charger Daytona. These chambers, in conjunction with woofers and mid-range speakers, generate the “exhaust” notes, which are then channeled through dual pipes akin to those found in internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. The system utilizes a combination of digital sounds and basic filtering, with the emphasis on fine-tuning the sound in the acoustic domain rather than relying solely on digital manipulation. This approach, according to the patent filing, aims to create a more authentic auditory experience for drivers."

Source: https://moparinsiders.com/how-does-d...-exhaust-work/

"To further enhance the illusion of a conventional muscle car experience, Dodge has incorporated “force generators” into the chassis. These devices are designed to transmit vibrations throughout the EV, intensifying in response to the driver’s inputs. The resulting tactile feedback is intended to be felt through the steering wheel and seats. Additionally, these force generators have the capability to generate their own sounds, adding another layer to the sensory experience."

I mean, they're trying, i'll give them that.

[90503]

Originally Posted by snizzle

"The Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust technology employs a series of chambers strategically placed underneath the Dodge Charger Daytona. These chambers, in conjunction with woofers and mid-range speakers, generate the “exhaust” notes, which are then channeled through dual pipes akin to those found in internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. The system utilizes a combination of digital sounds and basic filtering, with the emphasis on fine-tuning the sound in the acoustic domain rather than relying solely on digital manipulation. This approach, according to the patent filing, aims to create a more authentic auditory experience for drivers."

Source: https://moparinsiders.com/how-does-d...-exhaust-work/

"To further enhance the illusion of a conventional muscle car experience, Dodge has incorporated “force generators” into the chassis. These devices are designed to transmit vibrations throughout the EV, intensifying in response to the driver’s inputs. The resulting tactile feedback is intended to be felt through the steering wheel and seats. Additionally, these force generators have the capability to generate their own sounds, adding another layer to the sensory experience."

I mean, they're trying, i'll give them that.

Good info, but sheesh, what a bunch of embarrassing hooey. Decal and sticker upgrades were bad enough...now this....Sad days ahead for Dodge.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by 90503

Good info, but sheesh, what a bunch of embarrassing hooey. Decal and sticker upgrades were bad enough...now this....Sad days ahead for Dodge.

I agree. I mean they've talked to enough of us and we're saying the muscle car essence if you will is more than just speed. Why would they do all this? The question is: is any of it worth doing?

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

If you look at it as sort of a cross between a car and a simulator and not as a car with fake exhaust and vibrations there is real potential.

Simulators are fun.

And the better the simulator the more your body does not know the difference from the real thing. So with a good enough simulator you can sit in your living room and lap Laguna Seca and get virtually (I did that on purpose ) the same experience as actually being there.

One time I fell "skiing" down a VR hill that would be too hard for me in real life. To the rest of the world I was some doofus who fell down in the middle of the room for no reason at all. For me, being in over my head on the ski run was all too real.

So back to the Charger... if they can get that thing dialed in well enough that your body is fooled into thinking you are driving an 800HP ICE muscle car it could be riotously fun.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

And there's more...

The character of the car could be adjustable.

Want to just quietly go to the store? Turn all the VR stuff off and you're driving a golf cart.

Want to drive a 60's style street racer? Set the VR stuff to "huge lumpy cam" mode with Thrush muffler exhaust sound

Want to not be that obnoxious? Dial it back.

The possibilities are endless.

And who really cares if people think its goofy because its fun as hell and your car is, in all likelihood, faster than theirs anyway.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

And there's more...

The character of the car could be adjustable.

Want to just quietly go to the store? Turn all the VR stuff off and you're driving a golf cart.

Want to drive a 60's style street racer? Set the VR stuff to "huge lumpy cam" mode with Thrush muffler exhaust sound

Want to not be that obnoxious? Dial it back.

The possibilities are endless.

And who really cares if people think its goofy because its fun as hell and your car is, in all likelihood, faster than theirs anyway.

Sure, when it's all fake, the possibilities are endless. I guess i'm just questioning how many traditional muscle heads want this. Sounds like at least one.