01-18-2024, 10:04 AM | #1583 | |
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Its rare to see an entire charging stall fail but it also used to be rare to see all the chargers working, a big step forward is phone apps like Chargepoint as they can tell you in realtime whats going on. Im not aware of cold weather affecting chargers here but we dont see temps below about 15F, I understand this weather event caused a slight issue in charging efficiency though: |
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01-18-2024, 11:07 AM | #1584 | |
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The news articles are suggesting it's generally not the chargers, it's the cold making cell internal resistance too high. LFP chemistry is known to be worse there (in some Teslas). There's supposed to be battery temperature conditioning to allow faster charging. Early Model S was design protected to allow battery swaps. Newer Teslas have structural packs. Can there be a difference in the cold conducted through, depending on construction? Battery packs might not be insulated enough, and maybe it's all of them. |
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01-18-2024, 11:20 AM | #1585 |
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Not just extreme cold, or flooded out...I mean in general it just seems like a normal occurrence that random plug in stalls just don't work. Even if you look ahead on the apps or whatever, it may or may not show how many chargers are working and how many are not. Why would some of them not work?
It's not just a cold weather effect, it almost always mentioned anytime someone plans a trip, shows up, good weather or bad, and they can't charge because the plug-in simply is not working for reasons I have yet to hear explained.....lol |
01-18-2024, 01:30 PM | #1586 | |
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What incentive is there to keep something in good working order if it is not making you any money? If EV chargers were profitable there would be every reason to keep them working. The fact that they are allowed to either be out of service or operating at reduced capacity tells me they don't make any money anyway so the operator doesn't care. As to why they are off in the first place? Probably just that without maintenance almost anything will eventually fail. |
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01-18-2024, 01:44 PM | #1587 | |
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Particularly the part about national security. |
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01-18-2024, 02:31 PM | #1588 | |
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I'm not sure where the data on that stands currently, but as of a year or so ago, China had by far, the largest control of materials needed for generating batteries. I even posted an article about it here...but heck there's no way I could find that quickly.
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01-18-2024, 04:23 PM | #1589 | |
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Navigating to a supercharger especially when it is cold is critical in helping get as fast as possible charging. Navigating to it will let the car know it will be fast charging soon so it will heat up the battery. If you don't and plug in cold, it is now using some energy to heat the battery and trying to charge a cold battery. ^ Note that is specifically talking about Tesla'a. Not all EV's can condition the battery sadly. |
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01-18-2024, 08:17 PM | #1590 | |
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Most EVs sold in the US that are notTesla use CCS Combo. Aside from the recent problems in Chicago, pretty much all the problems with poorly functioning chargers are CCS Combo. Most people who are tracking this consider the problem to not be the technology, but the charge point operators (CPO). The biggest CPOs are ElectrifyAmerica (VW’s mega culpa for Diesel Gate), ChargePoint, and EVGo. A lot of the problem that EV drivers experience comes from the fact that every one of these providers have a different way of interacting with the driver and requesting payment. When I rented a Tesla in Atlanta and tried to charge it at an EVGo station, I spent about 10 minutes on the phone trying to get them to authorize payment so that I could start charging. Their stations don’t have a credit card tap or swipe reader. I don’t understand that at all. They all make you subscribe to their network online and use their tap card. Then there are different levels of diligence in maintaining the equipment and the cleanliness of the chargin sites. Tesla is a much better integrated system. Since your phone is your key and since all your car’s information as well as your payment information is on your phone all you have t do is pull up to a Tesla charger and plug in. It knows which car is charging where, at what speed and how much energy is delivered and bills you seamlessly. Your car can communicate with nearby stations and inform you where they are, what the rated power is, how many stalls they have and how many stalls are available. In the rare instance that a Tesla stall is not functioning it lets you know that too. It tells you what your state of charge will be when you arrive and how long it will take to get you to your desired state of charge. So now in 2025 pretty much every major manufacturer of EVs in the US is switching to Tesla’s NACS protocol and will be able to take advantage of the same level of integration.
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01-18-2024, 08:25 PM | #1591 | |
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The last two are the main reason why there are so few EVs that actually qualify for the incentives this year.
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01-19-2024, 12:34 AM | #1593 |
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-All of this just to not burn a little fuel, even to keep warm.
-The point made about fast charger profitability tying to issues was good, especially when most will routinely charge at home. -And when the Volt came out, battery range was said to be good for 80+% of people's daily miles. But early adopters turned their noses up at it for Tesla. -All of this trouble because: Bandwagon US policy makers would rather tilt the field vs. holdout citizens, than rivals on the tariff side. To 'keep up' with some EV adopting lousy allies. |
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It’s out there. You may not have seen it or you may have attributed it to someone else. There is bound to be more from me that is PRO-EV than ANTI-EV because in all honesty, most of the “factual issues” come from the “I hate EVs” crowd and so much of it is full of false information that it keeps me really busy. I’ll post a list of problems I have with EVs in a minute.
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01-19-2024, 08:31 AM | #1595 | |
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As for the last two, EV's won't qualify this year, or next, or ever. Because those are window dressing, feel good incentives that are basically impossible to achieve. And if they are achieved it would expose the blatant hypocrisy of the environmental movement because who is going to approve a freaking lithium mine when you can't even cut down a few trees that some owls live in? (For the record I am generally on the owl's side in that debate) So these IRA incentives are not really incentives at all but little more than cover for the governments EV policy. |
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And yes, until there is some profitability, real cost, associated with using charging stations, the tsunami of federal money to roll them out en-masse will look like a bunch of dilipitated Solindra factories within a couple of years. But for now, keep throwing federal money into the strip mines. |
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