Electric Vehicles

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

If you actually read what they actually said they are not pulling back on their endgame. They are just acknowledging it will take them longer to get there.

Specifically, GM has informed investors, stockholders, and media (I count as media) that they will not reach their goal of 100,000 EVs delivered in 2023 or 400,000 EVs delivered by the end of 2024. They DID NOT say they are shifting strategy back towards hybrids or ICE.

Both Ford and GM are slowing their ramp up of EV trucks. Ford because they aren’t selling. GM says it’s because they are making engineering changes to Silverado EV and Sierra EV that will push back launch timing. I’m sure slower than expected sales of Lightning had some weight on that decision.

GM is missing their targets because they are very slow getting product out of the factory. A lot of speculation as to why that is, but they aren’t talking about that. Not to anybody. Lyriq started production more than a year ago but they are still only trickling them out to customers. And the last time I looked, they’re only delivering single motor Lyriqs. Most people want the dual motor. They’ve completely delayed the Blazer EV rollout. SS is supposed to be in customers hands now, but they are only trickling out LT versions and have pushed the SS out until mid-2024. Equinox was supposed to be launching now but it hasn’t. All of these add up to missing the 100,000 target. But they are not pivoting away from these products.

The thing that’s frustrating for me is I’ve been all set, cash in hand, to buy a Blazer EV SS. Now it’s not coming until mid-next year but the Honda Prologue and Acura ZDX that are built on the same platform with the same motors and batteries are both coming to market soon.

Honda and GM just ended their EV partnership permanently. Unless you know facts that we do not (please tell everything you know if you do), they’ve ended all electric partnership operations.

[The Zebra]

Originally Posted by jamala00

If you want a true muscle/pony car like the Camaro is today, you'll need to look toward the used market going forward. Stellantis isn't going to put a V8 in any car going forward either. Even gm is making the Corvette a hybrid and then soon to be electric. They are conditioning the the Corvette faithful with the ERay. (But of course all this is my opinion and best guess)

^THIS^

Obviously with the EV and emissions push, V8's are going extinct soon (except maybe in heavy duty pick ups?). On the bright side, it makes your Camaro V8 that much more special.

[riversidess1le]

The did not end their partnership. The current partnership that developed a full size EV on the Ultium platform is full steam ahead with dealers already ramping up facilities. The rollout will start in February on the coasts and then move inward over the proceeding 3-6 months. The partnership that was cancelled is the development of an “affordable” EV with GM. This was likely just a realization that Honda is far more capable of developing a better product quicker on their own.

Originally Posted by olrocker

Honda and GM just ended their EV partnership permanently. Unless you know facts that we do not (please tell everything you know if you do), they’ve ended all electric partnership operations.

[SnakeEyeSS]

Did anyone see that the EV Charger will have a actual working tailpipes with airflow through mufflers so it sounds legit ?

The old saying "a car engine is just a glorified air pump" comes to mind:

Electric Air pumps connected to an exhaust system, mufflers/tailpipes.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Both Ford and GM are slowing their ramp up of EV trucks. Ford because they aren’t selling. GM says it’s because they are making engineering changes to Silverado EV and Sierra EV that will push back launch timing. I’m sure slower than expected sales of Lightning had some weight on that decision.

This will be the hardest segment to swap to full EV it is also one of the best selling segments in the US.

[SnakeEyeSS]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

This will be the hardest segment to swap to full EV it is also one of the best selling segments in the US.

Cybertruck looks like it will be a lifestyle accessory if you need to use the bed. The bed is hilarious in the prototypes people have been catching in public.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Honda and GM just ended their EV partnership permanently. Unless you know facts that we do not (please tell everything you know if you do), they’ve ended all electric partnership operations.

GM and Honda ended a joint project to develop low cost EVs. Honda will develop their own low cost vehicles and GM will bring a next gen Bolt to market as its Ultium based low cost EV.

Their existing relationships are unchanged. That includes GM building Prologue and ZDX on Ultium platform with Ultium batteries. The next gen of both those vehicles will be built on Honda’s own platform, but that was always the plan. They are also both continuing with their joint Fuel Cell development program. Honda has had fuel cell engineers co-located in a GM complex in Pontiac for about 15 years. I was working in that complex when Honda came on board. The logistics to isolate various parts of the buildings came down to an ID badge level of control. Person A’s badge could be programmed for access to rooms and labs that Person B’s badge wouldn’t access.

Here’s an excerpt from an article detailing the change in plans.

GM cited a joint statement that pointed to the projects the companies are still working on together in acknowledging the end of EV plan.
GM shares were nearly flat at $28.52 in pre-market trading on Wednesday. Honda closed up 0.8% in Tokyo before the decision was announced.
JOINT PLATFORM
GM CEO Mary Barra said on Tuesday during an earnings conference call that the U.S. automaker was shifting its EV push from efforts in the entry-level segments, that included a $5 billion commitment over the next several years to GM's Bolt EV. A spokesperson confirmed she was referring to the Honda EV partnership.
The two firms agreed in April last year to develop a series of lower-priced EVs based on a new joint platform, producing potentially millions of cars from 2027.
The automakers had said the deal was for "affordable" EVs, including compact crossover vehicles, built using GM's Ultium battery technology.

"After studying this for a year, we decided that this would be difficult as a business, so at the moment, we are ending development of an affordable EV," Honda CEO Toshihiro Mibe was quoted by Bloomberg as saying in an interview.
A Honda spokesperson said its separate partnership with GM and its Cruise unit would not be impacted by a recent safety incident in California which led to a suspension of the robotaxi firm's driverless testing permit in the U.S. state.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

This will be the hardest segment to swap to full EV it is also one of the best selling segments in the US.

Originally Posted by SnakeEyeSS

Cybertruck looks like it will be a lifestyle accessory if you need to use the bed. The bed is hilarious in the prototypes people have been catching in public.

The issue here is “Lifestyle Truck”.

There are stats somewhere that split light-duty truck usage into two categories: Lifestyle trucks and focused use trucks. This is why both Ford and GM have developed Work Truck variants of their EV trucks. The general thinking is that such a large portion of the light duty truck market (F150 as opposed to F250/350 and on up) is used as lifestyle trucks they could focus the mainstream EV trucks to fit the lifestyle truck market and continue to offer F250 Silverado HD, Ram 2500 as the “truck” trucks.

The EV trucks would basically replace the trucks that are bought primarily for transportation with the occasional Home Depot run or furniture moving task. Buyers requiring the heavy hauling and towing capability would still be expected to buy the 3/4 ton and up vehicles.

[docwra]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Exactly. They talk about todays cost of electricity and some magical future where range and recharging times have been solved. So you have to live in a split reality. Electric costs of the past and technology of the future.

You really have to shout to get listened to here huh?

Originally Posted by me on the last page

Solid state batteries that charge in 10 minutes and offer 1000+ miles of range ALREADY EXIST, they arent magically going to become undiscovered

The cost of power might increase but that will affect your household spend a lot more - EV charging is only a fraction of my overall energy bill

It's reassuring to see so many articles lately all talking about how demand for EVs is dropping

Reassuring? Like its reassuring when a criminal is put in prison or you recover from an illness?

In places that are encouraging EVs by installing infrastructure, places where people arent salivating over antiEV propaganda, demand has never been higher: https://www.investopedia.com/europe-...ar-ago-7963602

Tesla Models 3's have also just become cheaper than entry level BMW 3 series in both USA and EU, tell me again about inflated prices for inferior products

[docwra]

And on the "forcing" thing .......... I dont know how it is your side of the pond but we have pretty much accepted that stuff needs to be greener/cleaner in general.

This means theres a lot of legislation to move industries and products in this direction, auto manufacturers are just one of them.

By all means claim global warming is a scam and rail against it all you like but I dont think you can single out car manufacturers or legislators as the bad guys when this is being decided at government level, and the government are (theoretically at least) acting in the best interests of their electorate.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by docwra

And on the "forcing" thing .......... I dont know how it is your side of the pond but we have pretty much accepted that stuff needs to be greener/cleaner in general.

This means theres a lot of legislation to move industries and products in this direction, auto manufacturers are just one of them.

By all means claim global warming is a scam and rail against it all you like but I dont think you can single out car manufacturers or legislators as the bad guys when this is being decided at government level, and the government are (theoretically at least) acting in the best interests of their electorate.

So if it is being decided at a government level, the government is telling us what to do, right? And if we don't want to do it we still have to, right? So isn't that being forced?

As for you thinking the government is acting in our best interests... your naivety would be charming if it wasn't so troubling.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

So if it is being decided at a government level, the government is telling us what to do, right? And if we don't want to do it we still have to, right? So isn't that being forced?

As for you thinking the government is acting in our best interests... your naivety would be charming if it wasn't so troubling.

We have raised generations of children in government schools that feel this way. They know what they're doing. Pretty smart actually playing the long game.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by docwra

In places that are encouraging EVs by installing infrastructure, places where people arent salivating over antiEV propaganda, demand has never been higher

Ya, I'm sure this has nothing to do with it.

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[s346k]

i can't wait to see these hurricane chrysler engines be a flash tune away from gapping all these camaros.