Nissan Z compared to Camaro SS - Page 2

Timbo-1LE · 04-28-2022, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by redcoats1976

why not just be happy theres one more new sports car in the world?styling is subjective,and if it gives an SS a good run for the money its gotta be a good performer.i think we all know that time and r&d money are getting short for ICE cars.nissan has at least invested in the next gen Z car...general motors will probably be phasing out the camaro in a couple of years unless it goes electric.

Spot on!

Puddin · 04-28-2022, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 1LEornothing

My new LT1 blower kit was $4,900 during the black friday holiday sale, currently piecing together the LT4 fuel system from ZL1 owners upgrading. Using an ethanol blend, I expect to be in the 650+ rwhp. My LT1 also weighs 3590, so the Z barely has a weight advantage (less than 100 lbs). These new Z's will not be making 600+ rwhp without turbo and fuel system upgrades. The infinity Q60, which shares the exact same drivetrain as the new Z, struggles to make 450 rwhp on a hot tune. Those 560 rwhp supercharged LT1 you speak of are all running 93 octane, low boost and no timing on a stock LT1 fuel system and that is why they perform the way the do.

Exactly my point. You're needing to upgrade the fuel system just to get to 650. If you want to go tit for tat forced induction vs forced induction with no fuel upgrades sorry but the Z is probably going to take it. A SS is useless as far as boost goes on a stock fuel system so realistically your 4900 blower is actually 6k+. After that you're looking at yanking the motor out to at the least gap the pistons and put a cam in to help with fuel because the Lt4 stuff doesn't go very far either. We can go on and on but let's not forget these pigs we drive get thirsty and injectors and pumps for our cars are outrageous after the Lt4 stuff.

Spaceme1117 · 04-28-2022, 07:14 AM

New Z is a cool car. Rear wheel drive and a manual. Interior looks nice. Very similar to a Camaro SS.

Sad that American manufacturers are moving away from these types of cars while Japanese makers are starting to make great enthusiast cars again.

Toyota has the GR86, GR Supra, and the GR Corolla looks like it'll really rip.

LT1ornothing · 04-28-2022, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Puddin

Exactly my point. You're needing to upgrade the fuel system just to get to 650. If you want to go tit for tat forced induction vs forced induction with no fuel upgrades sorry but the Z is probably going to take it. A SS is useless as far as boost goes on a stock fuel system so realistically your 4900 blower is actually 6k+. After that you're looking at yanking the motor out to at the least gap the pistons and put a cam in to help with fuel because the Lt4 stuff doesn't go very far either. We can go on and on but let's not forget these pigs we drive get thirsty and injectors and pumps for our cars are outrageous after the Lt4 stuff.

You should really look at infinity Q60 builds to get an idea of what the new Z can do. The Z shortblock is built for and can handle boost, but the entire remainder of the car (fuel system, tiny turbos, tiny intercooler, restrictive exhaust, weak clutch/transmission, etc) all need to be upgraded to reliably make more than 500 rwhp. The LT1 on the other hand will handle 650 rwhp with the factory hardware provided you supply the engine with enough fuel and octane. The thirst for fuel you claim affects both the LT1 and the Z. It will take much more money to get a new Z to 650 rwhp reliably than it will an LT1.

Gen6cyl · 04-28-2022, 07:34 AM

A new car coming with manual transmission, that's great news .

6spdhyperblue · 04-28-2022, 07:37 AM

Yeah u prob need injectors but I still doubt these cars will outrun a well done camaro on lt4 fuel system. The problem is there are a lot of turds out there with the wrong combo not running right

The exhaust sound is the most important to me at this point considering what’s coming

ZPirate · 04-28-2022, 07:41 AM

As the owner of both a Z (350Z) and an SS 1LE I'm a fan of both vehicles. And I've owned several other Zs over the years including a 370Z. Although this is my first Camaro, its my second Chevy V8 powered car. I had a 2006 C6 with a 6 speed manual. The Z is historically a smaller and more nimble car than the Camaro. With the exception of the Z32 twin turbo the stock Z has been under powered when compared to other V8 powered competitors like the Camaro.

Early last fall I was looking for a new car to replace my BMW. I had been following the announcement by Nissan that the new Z was coming. However, it became obvious very quickly that the new Z was not going to be launched as quickly as expected. I have been a fan of the SS 1LE since it was first launched so I began looking for one. In my opinion it's the best bang for the buck all round performance car on the market.

I am interested to see what the new Z is like to drive and what kind of reviews it gets from automotive journalists. If you will note the pre production prototypes have been out there for a while, but Nissan hasn't allowed anyone to drive one and review it. Also, Nissan has yet to officially release pricing. And Nissan recently announced that the car won't be available until the summer.

Styling is subjective, but I like the blend of retro styling in the car. I can't wait to see one in person. Stock vs stock I still think the SS will have an advantage in a straight line, but we will have to see. I'm not sure about handing, but I expect the 1LE should have an advantage.

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6spdhyperblue · 04-28-2022, 07:47 AM

The fact that it’ll hang with a brand new car is saying something.

We didn’t get the intake manifold and camshaft refresh. This motor has been on the street unchanged since 2013

Puddin · 04-28-2022, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 6spdhyperblue

The fact that it’ll hang with a brand new car is saying something.

We didn’t get the intake manifold and camshaft refresh. This motor has been on the street unchanged since 2013

We did get the tri-y exhaust manifolds though.

NashZL1 · 04-28-2022, 08:17 AM

I'll stick with this 1971 240Z I've had since 1987, and my 2022 ZL1 (and others). All great cars.

I had a 370Z and Q60 Red Sport. Did not like the 370Z, but the Q60 motor in the new Z will be phenomenal, but I am not too excited over the design, especially the front. Waiting to see the NISMO version down the road.

The new Z is heavy, as are most new models...
https://jalopnik.com/2023-nissan-z-i...370-1848849717

I also have this 95 300ZX Twin Turbo

Crushin_LT1 · 04-28-2022, 08:26 AM

I like the Z and the Supra, I'd probably get a Supra if I had the cash. they're both just much more expensive than a 1SS or LT1 (well Z isn't on the street yet, but its looking that way...).

Puddin · 04-28-2022, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NashZL1

I'll stick with this 1971 240Z I've had since 1987, and my 2022 ZL1 (and others). All great cars.

I had a 370Z and Q60 Red Sport. Did not like the 370Z, but the Q60 motor in the new Z will be phenomenal, but I am not too excited over the design, especially the front. Waiting to see the NISMO version down the road.

The new Z is heavy, as are most new models...
https://jalopnik.com/2023-nissan-z-i...370-1848849717

I also have this 95 300ZX Twin Turbo

All original on both? They both look really good.

ZPirate · 04-28-2022, 08:36 AM

This is the only guy I've seen who Nissan has allowed to do a ride along video in the new Z

https://youtu.be/BNTCZ9VlDQ8

The car seems quick. But it's hard to compare with other vehicles without some real numbers for comparison sake.

Wyzz Kydd · 04-28-2022, 08:40 AM

Setting aside styling, which is subjective, and the sound of it, which is also subjective, the Z has 55 fewer horses, over 100 lbs less torque, inferior brakes, inferior rubber, no idea what the chassis is capable of, weighs 200 lbs less than a Camaro and has no performance numbers available.

I suspect stock for stock my 1LE will walk away from this car on the straightaways and embarrass it through the curves.

Not to mention this guy is full of it. When he shows that shallow, narrow trunk (yes the opening is bigger) and claims it has more space than the Camaro? Clearly BS.

04-28-2022, 07:37 AM	#20
6spdhyperblue Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: US Posts: 3,786	Yeah u prob need injectors but I still doubt these cars will outrun a well done camaro on lt4 fuel system. The problem is there are a lot of turds out there with the wrong combo not running right The exhaust sound is the most important to me at this point considering what’s coming __________________

04-28-2022, 07:41 AM	#21
ZPirate Drives: 2023 Summit White Camaro ZL1 M6 Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,910	As the owner of both a Z (350Z) and an SS 1LE I'm a fan of both vehicles. And I've owned several other Zs over the years including a 370Z. Although this is my first Camaro, its my second Chevy V8 powered car. I had a 2006 C6 with a 6 speed manual. The Z is historically a smaller and more nimble car than the Camaro. With the exception of the Z32 twin turbo the stock Z has been under powered when compared to other V8 powered competitors like the Camaro. Early last fall I was looking for a new car to replace my BMW. I had been following the announcement by Nissan that the new Z was coming. However, it became obvious very quickly that the new Z was not going to be launched as quickly as expected. I have been a fan of the SS 1LE since it was first launched so I began looking for one. In my opinion it's the best bang for the buck all round performance car on the market. I am interested to see what the new Z is like to drive and what kind of reviews it gets from automotive journalists. If you will note the pre production prototypes have been out there for a while, but Nissan hasn't allowed anyone to drive one and review it. Also, Nissan has yet to officially release pricing. And Nissan recently announced that the car won't be available until the summer. Styling is subjective, but I like the blend of retro styling in the car. I can't wait to see one in person. Stock vs stock I still think the SS will have an advantage in a straight line, but we will have to see. I'm not sure about handing, but I expect the 1LE should have an advantage. __________________ 2023 Summit White ZL1 M6 (delivered 10/15/23) 2023 Dodge Durango SRT (daily driver) 2003 Nissan 350Z (modified) 2022 Rapid Blue 1SS 1LE M6 (delivered 2/19/22) (Sold) 2009 BMW 135i (Sold) Last edited by ZPirate; 04-28-2022 at 08:46 AM.

04-28-2022, 07:47 AM	#22
6spdhyperblue Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: US Posts: 3,786	The fact that it’ll hang with a brand new car is saying something. We didn’t get the intake manifold and camshaft refresh. This motor has been on the street unchanged since 2013 __________________

04-28-2022, 08:17 AM	#24
NashZL1 Drives: 2022 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 259	I'll stick with this 1971 240Z I've had since 1987, and my 2022 ZL1 (and others). All great cars. I had a 370Z and Q60 Red Sport. Did not like the 370Z, but the Q60 motor in the new Z will be phenomenal, but I am not too excited over the design, especially the front. Waiting to see the NISMO version down the road. The new Z is heavy, as are most new models... https://jalopnik.com/2023-nissan-z-i...370-1848849717 I also have this 95 300ZX Twin Turbo __________________ Randy in Nashville 2022 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 A10 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 2020 Genesis G90 Ultimate 2018 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 2019 Mercedes-Benz SL450 2017 Corvette Grand Sport A8 2024 Honda Civic Touring 1971 Datsun 240Z

04-28-2022, 08:26 AM	#25
Crushin_LT1 Drives: 2021 LT1 6spd Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 784	I like the Z and the Supra, I'd probably get a Supra if I had the cash. they're both just much more expensive than a 1SS or LT1 (well Z isn't on the street yet, but its looking that way...). __________________ Current: 2021 LT1 Camaro, 6spd, Crush, Corsa NPP, GMPP CAI, Soler Performance Throttle controller Previous: 1997 V6 Camaro, 5spd, Black

04-28-2022, 07:14 AM	#17
Spaceme1117 Drives: 2017 Camaro SS, 2011 Corvette GS Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Erlanger, Kentucky 41018 Posts: 856	New Z is a cool car. Rear wheel drive and a manual. Interior looks nice. Very similar to a Camaro SS. Sad that American manufacturers are moving away from these types of cars while Japanese makers are starting to make great enthusiast cars again. Toyota has the GR86, GR Supra, and the GR Corolla looks like it'll really rip.

04-28-2022, 07:34 AM	#19
Gen6cyl Banned Drives: Chevy Camaro 2021 ,rs, v6, manual Join Date: Feb 2022 Location: Georgia Posts: 984	A new car coming with manual transmission, that's great news .

04-28-2022, 08:40 AM	#28
Wyzz Kydd Banned Drives: 2018 Camaro SS1 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,595	Setting aside styling, which is subjective, and the sound of it, which is also subjective, the Z has 55 fewer horses, over 100 lbs less torque, inferior brakes, inferior rubber, no idea what the chassis is capable of, weighs 200 lbs less than a Camaro and has no performance numbers available. I suspect stock for stock my 1LE will walk away from this car on the straightaways and embarrass it through the curves. Not to mention this guy is full of it. When he shows that shallow, narrow trunk (yes the opening is bigger) and claims it has more space than the Camaro? Clearly BS.