GT500. Would you do it?

[stkshft]

Originally Posted by ARS1

They're going to throw everything they can out there since they've been behind for a while now on the performance side but I don't see it touching a 1LE especially for the price... The GT500 will have an ADM of AT LEAST $20k+ for a base model car right from the start and the dealers won't come off that for at least a year. After paying $3k under for my '18 1LE I will never again pay ADM on a car. I paid $8k over on my 2017 GT350 after they were released in 2015 and I had to work hard to not pay $10k over!!! And the worst part is the 1LE is a way more exclusive car as far as production numbers are concerned. Ford will pump as many Shelby's out as they can, for as long as they can and the dealers will ask as much as they want and they will get it...

I guess that's my biggest issue now after loosing so much money on my GT350 in a years time. And the value just keeps getting lower and lower as they release more of them into the wild. The dealers are laughing all the way to the bank...

I was originally going to purchase a GT350 but after learning the dealers were not budging on the prices, I went the ZL1 route instead. If the same situation happens with the GT500, I'll pass.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by stkshft

I was originally going to purchase a GT350 but after learning the dealers were not budging on the prices, I went the ZL1 route instead. If the same situation happens with the GT500, I'll pass.

If you're truly located at the 'ring, how can you drive anything short of a Z (or an exotic)?

[ARS1]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Yep. GM has them licked there too!

That's where we loose each other! Don't get me wrong my wife drives a 2017 Yukon Denali and we love it, but I don't leave my trucks stock for very long and GM not offering a straight axle and those square wheel wells limit what you can do as far as lift and wheels/tires. GM trucks look goofy lifted since the front track width is wider than the rear due to IFS and the wheel wells force you to run nothing more than maybe a -44 offset wheel which again makes them look goofy and top heavy. There was one at the shop a couple weeks ago that rolled over on an on ramp because you can't get the tires out there enough to keep them stable.

[ARS1]

Originally Posted by stkshft

I was originally going to purchase a GT350 but after learning the dealers were not budging on the prices, I went the ZL1 route instead. If the same situation happens with the GT500, I'll pass.

I'm first on the list at my Ford dealer for an allocation for the GT500 but already know I'll most likely pass... ADM will push it past $100k and I'm sorry it's not worth anywhere near that price for a GT350 with more HP

[JB'sZL1]

Serious F250.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by ARS1

That's where we loose each other! Don't get me wrong my wife drives a 2017 Yukon Denali and we love it, but I don't leave my trucks stock for very long and GM not offering a straight axle and those square wheel wells limit what you can do as far as lift and wheels/tires. GM trucks look goofy lifted since the front track width is wider than the rear due to IFS and the wheel wells force you to run nothing more than maybe a -44 offset wheel which again makes them look goofy and top heavy. There was one at the shop a couple weeks ago that rolled over on an on ramp because you can't get the tires out there enough to keep them stable.

Hah, I have nothing to take away from the 2017+ "Super Duty" Ford trucks. They're fine. I'm also into trucks, maybe more so than cars, and can agree with a certain aspect and that is: if you're after a monster truck build. The IFS is much better than the straight axle setup for ride/travel, at least from what I have experienced. The Square wheel wells are limiting but tons of people run 22x14s and the like on Chevy/GMC HDs. I guess if you're looking for a big freakin' truck and you want 14 wides or 16 wides (O_O) then yeah, a Ford SD is probably up your alley. But I definitely don't think that Chevy/GMC's with 12 or 14 wides on a nice 4-8" lift look "goofy".

Some other high points for GM trucks:
Engines that have power in the half ton series (No ecoBoost BS)
Transmissions that are glass smooth and extremely well built (In half and HDs) (Ford to this day has a hard time building a good transmission, look at the Focus and even their HDs which pale compared to an Allison).
Interiors that are nice looking, as well as being well built-enough. Lots of people are saying the new Ford Platinum interiors on the SD is better than High Country/Denali counterparts but after being in both, I definitely disagree. I find the Denali/High Country much nicer to look at, while the Ford looks bulbous, square and awkward (Just like they ALWAYS have). I haven't handled the Ford's switches and buttons so I can't speak to quality of the stuff...
Edit: I could definitely add ride quality (Especially with the top level Denali which gets Magnetic Ride!). General road noise. Steering...I mean what else? I have always said, Ford started building truck amenities before they figured out how to actually build a truck...Meaning they start making things like "Auto park" "Auto trailer backup" "Steps on the tail gate with a railing" "Massaging seats" before they've figured out how to build an Engine, Transmission, Suspension System, Brakes, and Frame. GM has always won those sections regularly, though not always of course.

Anyways, you should try a Duramax sometime. And in the meantime, go look at the countless HDs with 14 wides . (But btw, a 14 or even a 12 wide isn't needed for stability at any point lol it's just for looks and bragging rights while doing excessive damage to your paint, bearings, etc.)

[kwav8r]

#1 reason I would say no is that I'm not playing Ford dealer games - giving them a #$@% ton of money to buy a car they are in business to sell is ridiculous IMHO.

Second, what's the power plant going to be? Twin turbo or N/A 7.0L V8, or the flat-plane Voodoo? As an aside, I don't think a FP crank can take the mass of a 7.0L.

Third, I don't like the body style, especially if it's just going to be a beefed up GT350. Ford needs to stop following the Celica blueprint and make something with edges.

[kwav8r]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Some other high points for GM trucks:
Engines that have power in the half ton series (No ecoBoost BS)
Transmissions that are glass smooth and extremely well built (In half and HDs)
Interiors that are nice looking, as well as being well built-enough. Lots of people are saying the new Ford Platinum interiors on the SD is better than High Country/Denali counterparts but after being in both, I definitely disagree. I find the Denali/High Country much nicer to look at, while the Ford looks bulbous, square and awkward. I haven't handled the Ford's switches and buttons so I can't speak to quality of the stuff...

Word.

[Mrfixxit7]

I agree with a lot of the comments,
Last summer I was looking for a new car, I was not sure what I wanted. I had a very bad experience with Chevy about 15 years ago. So I basically swore off owning a Chevy ever again.
So I was all on for the GT350. I found a local dealer and they had a beautiful blue and white GT350. They started it up and is sounded awesome. I asked them for a test drive and they said no. I then asked them about the price and they said it was not negotiable. I was really bummed. They offered me a test drive drive in a GT and it was extremely underwhelming.

After the test drive l figured since I was there I would take a look at the new Raptor. It was even worse; even though they had 4 of them on the lot they said their was a recall on them and they could not do test drives and they were not available to buy until the recall work was complete and just like the GT350 the price was not negotiable. I left the dealship absolutely dumbfounded, they were asking well over MSRP, I could not test drive them and they couldn’t sell me the Raptor.

I was apprehensive about going to the Chevy dealership but there was one across the street. They had a 18 ZL1 and a SS 50th Anniversary with the Callaway package. I was able to test drive both and ending up getting a great deal on the Callaway fifty. The car has really change my mind on Chevy. I love they car and the dealer has been great to work with.

So with all that said I would not entertain buying a GT500 if I cannot take it for a test drive and if the dealership is going to mark it up way over MSRP.

[1roadking]

My point with ADM, is the car is not worth the price period! Add 10 to 20k and a Z06 is way cheaper and will wipe its ass with a GT500. The GT500 is Fords ZL1 not a Z06 or a GT and needs to be priced accordingly. Again, my buddy let me hammer on his GT350 and it did 0 for me. I also drove a Raptor and laughed out loud at what a POS it was. Fords are like Hyundai’s and lipstick on a pig doesn’t make me want to have my way with it!!! LOL����

[VAZL1]

Originally Posted by 1roadking

My point with ADM, is the car is not worth the price period! Add 10 to 20k and a Z06 is way cheaper and will wipe its ass with a GT500. The GT500 is Fords ZL1 not a Z06 or a GT and needs to be priced accordingly. Again, my buddy let me hammer on his GT350 and it did 0 for me. I also drove a Raptor and laughed out loud at what a POS it was. Fords are like Hyundai’s and lipstick on a pig doesn’t make me want to have my way with it!!! LOL����

OMG...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

In all seriousness, the big three are just flexing their muscles and showing off what they can do to impress the uninformed public. Impress them with a Hellcat, sell them an R/T. Oh, you like the GT350? We don’t have any available right now, but this Mustang GT has the performance pack so it’s almost as good, right? Like that ZL1 pace car? Well sorry, you have to settle for this SS. It’s almost stupid how expensive muscle cars are getting. Remember when a Camaro SS was $32,000? That’s less than what the average American pays for a new car. It’s relatively affordable. We need a Cheap Camaro SS again.

Well you have to figure that cars are coming with way better tech and features than ever before. That drives up the cost. 10 years ago you would have never found a 650 hp car with heated/cooled seats, heated steering wheel, wifi, etc. Heck some of these cars have heated cup holders. All this stuff drives up the price. And sure they get you excited with the higher up models and then sell you the cheaper ones...but that only happens to people who can't afford the higher up models. Since the Demon was announced Dodge saw an increase in sales. Those aren't Demon or Hellcat sales. But people get excited and if they can't afford the Demon or Hellcat or ZL1 or Shelby then they'll settle for anything they can get. It happens all the time. It gets people in the door which is good for the dealership.

Originally Posted by stkshft

Absolutely. I have been interested in the GT500 even prior to purchasing my 2017 ZL1. Don't get me wrong - the ZL1 is an absolute beast and will mop the floor with just about any car on the road...but I think Ford is going to lay down the hammer with the new GT500

They better. The ZL1 will have been on the streets for 2 MYs by the time the GT500 gets out. That means Ford has had plenty of time to get their ducks in a row. If it outperforms the ZL1 then it better since they had all this time to make it better. It it doesn't then that just shows how good the ZL1 really is.

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Hah, I have nothing to take away from the 2017+ "Super Duty" Ford trucks. They're fine. I'm also into trucks, maybe more so than cars, and can agree with a certain aspect and that is: if you're after a monster truck build. The IFS is much better than the straight axle setup for ride/travel, at least from what I have experienced. The Square wheel wells are limiting but tons of people run 22x14s and the like on Chevy/GMC HDs. I guess if you're looking for a big freakin' truck and you want 14 wides or 16 wides (O_O) then yeah, a Ford SD is probably up your alley. But I definitely don't think that Chevy/GMC's with 12 or 14 wides on a nice 4-8" lift look "goofy".

Some other high points for GM trucks:
Engines that have power in the half ton series (No ecoBoost BS)
Transmissions that are glass smooth and extremely well built (In half and HDs) (Ford to this day has a hard time building a good transmission, look at the Focus and even their HDs which pale compared to an Allison).
Interiors that are nice looking, as well as being well built-enough. Lots of people are saying the new Ford Platinum interiors on the SD is better than High Country/Denali counterparts but after being in both, I definitely disagree. I find the Denali/High Country much nicer to look at, while the Ford looks bulbous, square and awkward (Just like they ALWAYS have). I haven't handled the Ford's switches and buttons so I can't speak to quality of the stuff...
Edit: I could definitely add ride quality (Especially with the top level Denali which gets Magnetic Ride!). General road noise. Steering...I mean what else? I have always said, Ford started building truck amenities before they figured out how to actually build a truck...Meaning they start making things like "Auto park" "Auto trailer backup" "Steps on the tail gate with a railing" "Massaging seats" before they've figured out how to build an Engine, Transmission, Suspension System, Brakes, and Frame. GM has always won those sections regularly, though not always of course.

Anyways, you should try a Duramax sometime. And in the meantime, go look at the countless HDs with 14 wides . (But btw, a 14 or even a 12 wide isn't needed for stability at any point lol it's just for looks and bragging rights while doing excessive damage to your paint, bearings, etc.)

This x1000.

GMC/Chevy and then Dodge in a very very close second.

Ford truck? Please. And the interiors...Anyone that prefers a Ford SD over GM has never actually been in one. Fords SD interior is barely on par with a Tundra.

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by kwav8r

#1 reason I would say no is that I'm not playing Ford dealer games - giving them a #$@% ton of money to buy a car they are in business to sell is ridiculous IMHO.

Second, what's the power plant going to be? Twin turbo or N/A 7.0L V8, or the flat-plane Voodoo? As an aside, I don't think a FP crank can take the mass of a 7.0L.

Third, I don't like the body style, especially if it's just going to be a beefed up GT350. Ford needs to stop following the Celica blueprint and make something with edges.

Rumors are that it is the SC 5.2 predator motor.

Doesn’t matter though. Price alone will kill any ROI on the ford side, assuming you’re thinking logically. Those that were offering six figures for the 350 must be after something “special”.