2015 MUSTANG FIRST DRIVING REVIEWS

[LOWDOWN]

Shaffe, dear friend, what were the TIMES quoted? The SAME 24.7 seconds... What about 1/4-mile times? What about every other performance metric?

SAME time is not "BEATING" the BOSS...is it?

More manure from Mustang...This car doesn't beat a 1LE; a "fat-assed 6 year old Sedan-based obsolete Chebbie", to quote some.

If this were a limbo contest, you could walk a Clydesdale under the bar that seems to be Ford's idea of "beating" the "competition".

Suddenly, it's 1993 all over again...Peabody and Sherman in the 'WayBack Machine!

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by shaffe

"The new Mustang GT rips 'round the figure eight in 24.7 seconds, pulling 0.84 g average in the process. That's not only quicker than the last Mustang GT (25.0 seconds at 0.77 g average), but it's also a better performance than the last Mustang Boss 302 (24.7 seconds at 0.78 g average) we tested."

So a few magazine tests in, and one where specifically says performed better than BOSS you are ready to say it won't/can't out run a BOSS on a road course? We see that it won't in the 1/4 mile, but I wouldn't go so far as saying it can't outrun the BOSS yet, why not wait for lap times

Shaffe, Im sorry. I love Mustang's just like you do and I also love Chevy's, but this Mustang is a letdown so far but as i said let's wait and see how Ford responds when the new Camaro comes out.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Shaffe, dear friend, what were the TIMES quoted? The SAME 24.7 seconds... What about 1/4-mile times? What about every other performance metric?

SAME times is not "BEATING" the BOSS...is it?

More manure from Mustang...

No sir, you are correct.

I am just quoting what M/T said that is all. Yes the time was the same, the avg Gs were better for the 15, and it stopped a a foot shorter than the 2012 Boss MT tested. The Boss accelerated faster and had better lateral acceleration.

All I was saying was after 1 magazine review, you are ready to say it can't/won't beat lap times by the BOSS. All I am saying is lets see some lap times. It might beat it it might not, I am just saying isn't a bit early to say that jsut based on some first drive reviews?

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

Shaffe, Im sorry. I love Mustang's just like you do and I also love Chevy's, but this Mustang is a letdown so far but as i said let's wait and see how Ford responds when the new Camaro comes out.

I will wait to see some more comparisons before I say if its a let down or not IMO. Just about every review has loved way the car drives, its straight line performance is on par with the outgoing model (which to some is a disappointment, to me not really, the car gained weight, got an IRS and is still right there with the outgoing. Some mags have it slower, some have it faster so IMO thats a wash. It is about what I expected). M/T seemed the most neutral didn't love it didn't hate but said its better than the car it replaces. R&T absolutely loved it. I am anxious to see some comparison tests now.

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by shaffe

No sir, you are correct.

I am just quoting what M/T said that is all. Yes the time was the same, the avg Gs were better for the 15, and it stopped a a foot shorter than the 2012 Boss MT tested. The Boss accelerated faster and had better lateral acceleration.

All I was saying was after 1 magazine review, you are ready to say it can't/won't beat lap times by the BOSS. All I am saying is lets see some lap times. It might beat it it might not, I am just saying isn't a bit early to say that jsut based on some first drive reviews?



I will wait to see some more comparisons before I say if its a let down or not IMO. Just about every review has loved way the car drives, its straight line performance is on par with the outgoing model (which to some is a disappointment, to me not really, the car gained weight, got an IRS and is still right there with the outgoing. Some mags have it slower, some have it faster so IMO thats a wash. It is about what I expected). M/T seemed the most neutral didn't love it didn't hate but said its better than the car it replaces. R&T absolutely loved it. I am anxious to see some comparison tests now.

I defintely wont be trading for one. I am glad to have my SS and the only other car I would trade it for is a new vette. I come from a Ford family and I guess I am the blacksheep...

[khell86]

The issue is that ford was constantly comparing the performance of the new GT to the Boss 302, everyone now thinks it is a replacement for it. It's not. There is still the GT350 coming out which should be compared directly to the Boss. Ford did make a GT thats way better around the track than the outgoing GT.

Wait for the comparisons to the 1LE to come out. We know they've been done based on the pics.

As for the 1/4 mile stats, everyone should have realized that with the power/weight gain that it would end up being about the same as the current model. I would like to see how the auto does in the 1/4 mile. How well LC helps it out like it does in the hellcat and other new cars.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by khell86

The 2014 V6 with PP did 0-60 in 5.8s and an 14/4 1/4 mile. So the ecoboost is definitely faster, but for sure the weight gain is killing its times along with the GT. To be expected though. Here's to hoping Ford rolls out aluminum to the mustang sooner than later lol.

Well....not sure where you got those times from, but for the 2011 Mustang V6, Motortrend got 5.1 seconds 0 - 60 and a 13.7 second 1/4 mile which stomps the numbers this PP loaded (heavier) Ecoboost Mustang got:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...tang_v_6_test/

[khell86]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Well....not sure where you got those times from, but for the 2011 Mustang V6, Motortrend got 5.1 seconds 0 - 60 and a 13.7 second 1/4 mile which stomps the numbers this PP loaded (heavier) Ecoboost Mustang got:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...tang_v_6_test/

I got it from this link:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ge_first_test/

Which makes me wonder why there is such a huge difference in those numbers lol.

[MagnumForceGB]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Well....not sure where you got those times from, but for the 2011 Mustang V6, Motortrend got 5.1 seconds 0 - 60 and a 13.7 second 1/4 mile which stomps the numbers this PP loaded (heavier) Ecoboost Mustang got:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...tang_v_6_test/

Originally Posted by khell86

I got it from this link:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ge_first_test/

Which makes me wonder why there is such a huge difference in those numbers lol.

The 2014 was an Automatic and the 2011 was a Manual. The 6R80 Automatic needs a tune to really get it going, the stock tune just completely sucks. It took me less than a month to tune my Auto because it was so bad.

[Bhobbs]

After reading a few reviews, it seems to be a mix of good and not so good. The GTPP does handle better than the previous gen but I don't see it beating the 1LE by a wide margin, if at all.

[1QwikZ28]

It may be slower in the 1/4 mile, but its a better car. It can compete with the Boss, flat out out handle the out going model. New, balanced chassis, improved suspension, forged motor, better interior...what more do you guys want? It is just a start, 2-3 years from now, it will be improved.

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

It may be slower in the 1/4 mile, but its a better car. It can compete with the Boss, flat out out handle the out going model. New, balanced chassis, improved suspension, forged motor, better interior...what more do you guys want? It is just a start, 2-3 years from now, it will be improved.

How about fixing that ugly rear end for starts.

[CamaroTom]

Most of the weight gain probably comes from the new independent rear suspension setup.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

It may be slower in the 1/4 mile, but its a better car. It can compete with the Boss, flat out out handle the out going model. New, balanced chassis, improved suspension, forged motor, better interior...what more do you guys want? It is just a start, 2-3 years from now, it will be improved.

There is nothing to show that it competes with the BOSS, yet. If the new Camaro comes out slower and heavier than the previous car, I don't think anyone here would be happy. I had a feeling the 15 GT would struggle to beat the 14 GT in the 1/4 because of the weight and and going to an IRS set up.

I would prefer GM and Ford stop releasing cars that are held back somewhat just to see how the other guys respond. They should release the best they can and improve that over time instead of trying to match or best the competition.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

Ford will step up their A game when the next camaro arrives.

Ummmmm, you don't commit the hundreds of millions Ford did on this program and not have already brought your A game.

They may have improvements over time, everyone does. But this IS the best they have right now.

I expect the 350GT to bring another level to this discussion completely, but don't for a moment think Ford brought their B game to this fight with the launch of this product. For right now, this is the best they have.

Remember, the Camaro targeted the 2008 Mustang and whooped it. Mustang came our with a refreshed interior and then huge powertrain improvements and never overtook the Camaro in sales.

Ford has too much at stake to not go all in on the first try.