Equinox?

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

SOME PEOPLE NEED TRUE OFF-ROADABILITY. It's not for show, it's to actually be able to get to and from work on a daily basis 3-4 months out of the year. With the death of the Trailbalzer/Envoy the only thing left would be a full-size... and if we reach the desired (by some) goal of EU equivalent gas prices then I'm screwed. I'd then have to decide if I should sell my house and take a huge loss to move closer to work or get a wrong-wheel-drive Equinox and risk getting stuck somewhere that is unreachable by tow.

I like the equinox as far as quality and styling and all those points you made, but if GM can't make a version that does the job then I will be forced to look elsewhere. I REALLY do not want to have to buy a Jeep or an import. But they may leave no option.

You do realize that you can buy a 6 cylinder All Wheel Drive Equinox dont you? That is plenty of power to all 4 wheels to meet 99% of off road challenges.

Your argument = fail

[Taintedveins]

Originally Posted by DaBears

Simple answer. Its a CUV not an SUV. CUV are targeted as family vehicles, not off road capable, and not for towing.

Originally Posted by DaBears

You do realize that you can buy a 6 cylinder All Wheel Drive Equinox dont you? That is plenty of power to all 4 wheels to meet 99% of off road challenges.

Your argument = fail

The equinox can tow... part of the rear diffuser is removable so it can tow, and it has plenty of towing power when it is AWD

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by DaBears

You do realize that you can buy a 6 cylinder All Wheel Drive Equinox dont you? That is plenty of power to all 4 wheels to meet 99% of off road challenges.

Your argument = fail

An AWD Equinox would never be as good as a 4WD GMT-360.

But, as you said, an AWD Equinox will do just fine up against the "off-roading" 99.9% of consumers will do.

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

An AWD Equinox would never be as good as a 4WD GMT-360.

But, as you said, an AWD Equinox will do just fine up against the "off-roading" 99.9% of consumers will do.

Exactly. Im not saying its going to be able to tow or go off roading as well as a Tahoe could do or another TRUE SUV.

But its still very capable.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by DaBears

You do realize that you can buy a 6 cylinder All Wheel Drive Equinox dont you? That is plenty of power to all 4 wheels to meet 99% of off road challenges.

Your argument = fail

Your facts - FAIL.

The "all wheel drive" is FWD biased. This is suitable for wet roads and the like, not for plowing snow and logging roads.

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Your facts - FAIL.

The "all wheel drive" is FWD biased. This is suitable for wet roads and the like, not for plowing snow and logging roads.

LOL LOL LOL. Your logic = Fail.

Why would you want a CUV type vehicle to plow or do logging?? Come on man!!

Are you aware that the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban exist????

Come on man be smart and think about what these cars are marketed for. Let me spell it out for you.

Equinox and other comparable CUV's - Family/road trips/metro travel

Tahoe/Suburban and other TRUE SUV's - Family/work/towing/getting major shit done (such as logging and plowing)

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by DaBears

LOL LOL LOL. Your logic = Fail.

Why would you want a CUV type vehicle to plow or do logging?? Come on man!!

Are you aware that the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban exist????

Come on man be smart and think about what these cars are marketed for. Let me spell it out for you.

Equinox and other comparable CUV's - Family/road trips/metro travel

Tahoe/Suburban and other TRUE SUV's - Family/work/towing/getting major shit done (such as logging and plowing)

Your memory and/or reading comprehension = EPIC fail.

I said just a handful of message ago that I need off roadability and that I was being forced into a full-size which I do not want because of gas prices. I am well aware of the Tahoe and Subruban and the Silverado too (you left that one out).

My point is that the Equinox is a good car for what it is but there is nothing LIKE it that fills the void in between. At least not from GM. They killed the TrailBlazer/Envoy for no good reason at all.

Also, please stop jumping to conclusions. I never said I was "logging" with any vehicle. I said I need to be able to drive on logging roads to get where I need to go. As for plowing, I have a 300' driveway that a small plow on an old 4WD S-10 Blazer was capable of plowing, and that type of vehicle is exactly the kind of thing that the Equinox needs to be more like. Even the Traverse is a bad fit for real world use.

GM needs to stop making toy AWD/4WD vehicles for posers. They need to take a serious look at making something to fill the void.

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Your memory and/or reading comprehension = EPIC fail.

I said just a handful of message ago that I need off roadability and that I was being forced into a full-size which I do not want because of gas prices. I am well aware of the Tahoe and Subruban and the Silverado too (you left that one out).

My point is that the Equinox is a good car for what it is but there is nothing LIKE it that fills the void in between. At least not from GM. They killed the TrailBlazer/Envoy for no good reason at all.

Also, please stop jumping to conclusions. I never said I was "logging" with any vehicle. I said I need to be able to drive on logging roads to get where I need to go. As for plowing, I have a 300' driveway that a small plow on an old 4WD S-10 Blazer was capable of plowing, and that type of vehicle is exactly the kind of thing that the Equinox needs to be more like. Even the Traverse is a bad fit for real world use.

GM needs to stop making toy AWD/4WD vehicles for posers. They need to take a serious look at making something to fill the void.

Posers? 90% of the people out there must be "posers" considering how well the Equinox sells. Are you saying that GM needs somethign like the Durango? Because if your saying that, I totally agree. The Traverse is too mini-van like to do the work that you are talking about.

So yes I agree with you there about the "void". But even the new Ford explorer might not fit the bill either.

But hey yanno what, this is why I dont understand absolute brand loyalty. If another American company is making the type of SUV you need, why not buy it? Such as Durango, sounds to me like Durango would fit your needs and still get good gas mileage. Its real while drive with a true 4WD available. It still offers a v-8 engine and offers best in class towing.

It just seems like people get caught up in brand loyalty way too much in my opinion. For me, if its American and it fits my needs, I buy it.

[Russell James]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Your memory and/or reading comprehension = EPIC fail.

I said just a handful of message ago that I need off roadability and that I was being forced into a full-size which I do not want because of gas prices. I am well aware of the Tahoe and Subruban and the Silverado too (you left that one out).

My point is that the Equinox is a good car for what it is but there is nothing LIKE it that fills the void in between. At least not from GM. They killed the TrailBlazer/Envoy for no good reason at all.

Also, please stop jumping to conclusions. I never said I was "logging" with any vehicle. I said I need to be able to drive on logging roads to get where I need to go. As for plowing, I have a 300' driveway that a small plow on an old 4WD S-10 Blazer was capable of plowing, and that type of vehicle is exactly the kind of thing that the Equinox needs to be more like. Even the Traverse is a bad fit for real world use.

GM needs to stop making toy AWD/4WD vehicles for posers. They need to take a serious look at making something to fill the void.

Sales and demand drives what gets built. They killed the Trailblazer/Envoy for several good reasons. Wasn't selling, got horrible MPG. Equinox has sold very well since the '10 introduction. Old SUV, couldn't give them away with dirt cheap leases. New SUV, hard to keep inventory on the lots, added shifts to plant, moved additional production to second plant.... Explain to us again how that was a bad decision.

In the real world of $3 - $4 gallon gas, mid size RWD SUV's with plowing capability will be impossible to sell lot turds. They offer plenty of RWD trucks and SUVs for people that need have those uses. The small and mid size markets have moved more towards MPG driven.

Retake econ and marketing 101. Has nothing to do with "posers," it's called building and selling what the market demands.

With my 4 cyl Equinox as my DD, I'm getting 29 mpg. Same commute when I owned an Envoy was lucky to get 15, most often around 14.5. In a Silverado, it was about 16. 120 mile a day commute. Cutting my monthly fuel costs in half.... gee I wonder why they are selling so good.

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by Russell James

Sales and demand drives what gets built. They killed the Trailblazer/Envoy for several good reasons. Wasn't selling, got horrible MPG. Equinox has sold very well since the '10 introduction. Old SUV, couldn't give them away with dirt cheap leases. New SUV, hard to keep inventory on the lots, added shifts to plant, moved additional production to second plant.... Explain to us again how that was a bad decision.

In the real world of $3 - $4 gallon gas, mid size RWD SUV's with plowing capability will be impossible to sell lot turds. They offer plenty of RWD trucks and SUVs for people that need have those uses. The small and mid size markets have moved more towards MPG driven.

Retake econ and marketing 101. Has nothing to do with "posers," it's called building and selling what the market demands.

With my 4 cyl Equinox as my DD, I'm getting 29 mpg. Same commute when I owned an Envoy was lucky to get 15, most often around 14.5. In a Silverado, it was about 16. 120 mile a day commute. Cutting my monthly fuel costs in half.... gee I wonder why they are selling so good.

Well said my friend. My wife averages 23.5 MPG for her daily commute to work and daycare, but thats all city miles with a ton of stoplights. We are very happy with our Equinox.

If you stay under 70mph you get the advertised 32MPG. But i usually got 78 MPH on our road trips and we still get 29MPG.

Its a great vehicle plain and simple.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Your memory and/or reading comprehension = EPIC fail.

I said just a handful of message ago that I need off roadability and that I was being forced into a full-size which I do not want because of gas prices. I am well aware of the Tahoe and Subruban and the Silverado too (you left that one out).

My point is that the Equinox is a good car for what it is but there is nothing LIKE it that fills the void in between. At least not from GM. They killed the TrailBlazer/Envoy for no good reason at all.

Also, please stop jumping to conclusions. I never said I was "logging" with any vehicle. I said I need to be able to drive on logging roads to get where I need to go. As for plowing, I have a 300' driveway that a small plow on an old 4WD S-10 Blazer was capable of plowing, and that type of vehicle is exactly the kind of thing that the Equinox needs to be more like. Even the Traverse is a bad fit for real world use.

GM needs to stop making toy AWD/4WD vehicles for posers. They need to take a serious look at making something to fill the void.

Two words for you. Jeep or Truck. That's what you are describing to me.

Most people don't do what you need a vehicle for. Thus we have equinox and traverse taking over which are more suited for the 99%.