New truck reliability going "downhill"

[Capricio]

https://www.torquenews.com/18003/ive...-american-they

Takeaways for Buyers and Automakers

• Decades of loyalty shouldn’t be met with doubt. If someone like Bobby, who’s bought 30 GM trucks, starts to feel uneasy about his newer vehicles, it’s a clear sign the brand has strayed from its foundation.
  
• Transparency and consistency matter. Automakers need to address the known transmission and engine concerns head-on, not just through service bulletins, but through meaningful updates and communication.
  
• Old-school simplicity still holds value. There’s a reason so many owners are clinging to their 2000s-era trucks. They work. They last. And they’re not overloaded with systems that fail before 100K miles.
  
• Buy American shouldn’t mean compromise. American truck buyers want to support homegrown brands, but they need a product that earns that trust, and not one that takes it for granted.

What Do You Think?

Have you owned an older truck from the 2000s or earlier and noticed a difference in reliability compared to recent models?

And are you someone who still believes in buying American, but now finding yourself second-guessing that decision after these kinds of stories?

[FarmerFran]

Everything since maybe 1975 if you are old and 1992 if you are young is disposable.

So, no, to answer your question.

[Capricio]

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ca...sable-44514856

Planned obsolescence is, according to the former GM engineer, has since become the rule for most industries. Automakers are just chasing trends they assume will be the most lucrative.

This was attributed to companies noticing that a meaningful portion of the market was willing to simply lease a new car every three-to-five years. Meanwhile, the number of adults who were willing to service an older vehicle themselves was presumed to be declining. Chello said the automakers simply leaned into that by gradually making cars harder to service and incentivizing leases wherever possible.

By 2010, he said the industry was ready to take things a step further by implementing technologies that actively prevented user maintenance and vehicle designs that effectively made major components (e.g. transmissions and engines) disposable items. Cars would become less reliable. However, manufacturers would presumably be able to sell more of them while service centers and dealerships benefited from an uptick in business.

Older automobiles that could easily be serviced and repaired, exceeding 250,000 miles in the process, would be supplanted by new models that were impossible to maintain and lasted an estimated 100,000 miles before the lofty repair bills became too much to endure.

I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and buy a 2006 Buick Lacrosse I saw on CL, 106k, very good condition 3800, no turbos, no DI, no OHC, no VVT, no AFM. At least while there are still some good ones available out there for reasonable prices..

[102SS]

4 cylinder full size PU's

Cylinder deactivation in everything but diesel.

Shuddering A8 in everything that got one

If the powertrain sucks the truck will suck.

[Lou gill]

I don’t drive a pickup, but when I was shopping for full size SUV’s it was disappointing to hear about the recalls and turbo 6 cylinders, after-all we are talking about 5-6000 pound vehicles. I opted to go get an Infiniti (surprised me) with an old and very proven V8, full time 4WD, it’s been 10,000 miles so far and it is been quiet, comfortable and safe…..

[detamble13]

I owned a 2006 GMC Sierra with the 5.3 V8 for eleven years. It was a good reliable truck but threw an evap code for a while that couldn't be resolved. New gas cap, vent valve solenoid had a tsb that moved it to a more isolated area on top of the transmission. Still threw the code and after my Dad and I "smoked" the system to look for leaks I brought it to the dealership and they couldn't resolve the issue but just reset the code. Overall good truck but the damn evap code gave me a nervous twitch. Ontario got rid of emissions testing so this wouldn't be a problem now.

I understand the V8 Infinity purchase. I've been looking at mid size SUVs that can tow for a while now and I'm not inspired to spend $70k for a turbo 4. I've started looking more at used options.

[Lou gill]

Originally Posted by detamble13

I owned a 2006 GMC Sierra with the 5.3 V8 for eleven years. It was a good reliable truck but threw an evap code for a while that couldn't be resolved. New gas cap, vent valve solenoid had a tsb that moved it to a more isolated area on top of the transmission. Still threw the code and after my Dad and I "smoked" the system to look for leaks I brought it to the dealership and they couldn't resolve the issue but just reset the code. Overall good truck but the damn evap code gave me a nervous twitch. Ontario got rid of emissions testing so this wouldn't be a problem now.

I understand the V8 Infinity purchase. I've been looking at mid size SUVs that can tow for a while now and I'm not inspired to spend $70k for a turbo 4. I've started looking more at used options.

I picked that 2024 sensory with 6,000 miles for $62,000…..look at ‘23-24’s

[102SS]

Stellantis has seen the error of their misguided ways.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/news...142f013d&ei=32

[lbls1]

Not sure what's going on, but it seems there are issues all across the board, and not just with GM.

I'm very happy with the build quality of my Silverado, and this isn't my first at bat with a Chevrolet truck.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by 102SS

Stellantis has seen the error of their misguided ways.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/news...142f013d&ei=32

They can keep their hemi, the hurricane freaking kicks ass. Go drive them back to back and report back. Hell go drive a 6.2 1500 then the SST HO and report back

[102SS]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

They can keep their hemi, the hurricane freaking kicks ass. Go drive them back to back and report back. Hell go drive a 6.2 1500 then the SST HO and report back

The problem wasn't just axing the V8 it was getting rid of base models and lower trim units.

Almost all the trucks across every ones lineup are loaded out now.

60.70,80k is not in a lot of people budget for a truck.

[102SS]

No doubt the Hurricane makes power just look at your 1/4m times and speed.

But it is also more expensive to produce and therefore adds to the vehicle price.

[Capricio]

https://www.jalopnik.com/1900537/ame...-seems-doomed/

The American auto industry is once again in a trap of its own making. For decades European and Asian automakers have been pushing the Big Three deeper into a spiral of producing larger, more profitable, lower-quality vehicles. Each time an American automaker has faced adversity and evolving consumer desires, they have failed to adapt to the change and instead pushed headstrong into the status quo, begging for government aid in the form of protectionist economic policies or massive financial bailouts.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by 102SS

No doubt the Hurricane makes power just look at your 1/4m times and speed.

But it is also more expensive to produce and therefore adds to the vehicle price.

The hemi adds a couple grand to the price. The hemi with the etoque system is pricey