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redcoats1976 · 12-07-2022, 04:38 PM

getting ready to buy new rotors and pads for the front of my 2015 RS.dont want anything fancy,drilled,slotted.just OEM quality replacement parts or better.suggestions would be appreciated,as well as an answer to the question of reusing the torque to yield caliper bracket bolts.just watched a u tube video where they just reused the old ones,no loctite or anything...i dont want parts falling off.

0stones0 · 12-07-2022, 04:49 PM

I reused my caliper bolts, when I adjusted the emergency brakes on the rears, this summer. Have total confidence in them. Loctite probably doesn’t hurt but, I didn’t bother. You got to crank ‘em pretty hard to get that last 1/4 turn (90* past the torque spec), trust me.

redcoats1976 · 12-07-2022, 05:54 PM

so,basically like any other car,tighten them and then give it a good crank to make sure they dont fall out? wouls till like opinions on a good set of stock type rotors and pads...

0stones0 · 12-07-2022, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redcoats1976

so,basically like any other car,tighten them and then give it a good crank to make sure they dont fall out? wouls till like opinions on a good set of stock type rotors and pads...

TTY is the torque spec of the bolt, I believe it is 30 ft.lb. plus 90 degrees (1/4 turn).

redcoats1976 · 12-07-2022, 06:40 PM

ok,will borrow a torque wrench.thinking about NAPA rotors and pads or GM.

KillboyPowerhead · 12-07-2022, 06:46 PM

I've reused the bolts too, when I took off the calipers and brackets to paint them; just threw on some blue loc-tite and torqued to roughly 100 ft/lbs (far from the TTY spec which works out to like 200 ft/lbs, but I was worried about snapping the bolt even at 100. Been a few years and the brakes still haven't fallen off.

I'd just go with GM/OEM pads and rotors unless you can find cheaper from a reputable brand (Stop Tech, etc.).

CamaroCracka · 12-08-2022, 09:01 AM

A little red Loctite is good insurance although it does make taking them out a fitness event.

ElderJ · 12-08-2022, 10:01 AM

GM calls for the bolts to be replaced, which I do for every brake job on this car, but as others have stated, it's pretty much your call. Something to do with the bolts being under too much tension over time and possibly snapping? I don't know. I've never heard of anyone having an issue with reusing the bracket bolts; I just do it because I'm a perfectionist sometimes.

I also just grabbed my brake parts from rockauto. Brakes are brakes.

redcoats1976 · 12-08-2022, 01:21 PM

have to admit id feel a little better with new ones.but i bet most shops just reuse them.

Rock-It Man · 12-08-2022, 04:47 PM

If they are TTY they should not be re-used. They have been torqued to the yield point, so now, when they are torqued to the same tension, they will begin to get work hardened and prone to failure.

This discussion comes up fro time to time and I can't understand why people claim it's optional to follow directions made by ENGINEERS for your SAFETY.

NOT A 45 · 12-09-2022, 07:51 AM

I defy anyone to show me a technician anywhere who uses a torque wrench when performing brake service.....doesn't make it right but it's a fact! As for brake part recommendations, if your dead set on oem which would be my first choice, I've had good success with CarQuest gold pads. I routinely use them on our used non-GM cars and have never had them come back being noisy.

gtstorey · 12-09-2022, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock-It Man

If they are TTY they should not be re-used. They have been torqued to the yield point, so now, when they are torqued to the same tension, they will begin to get work hardened and prone to failure.

This discussion comes up fro time to time and I can't understand why people claim it's optional to follow directions made by ENGINEERS for your SAFETY.

Because torque + angle isn't always Torque to Yield.

ElderJ · 12-09-2022, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock-It Man

I can't understand why people claim it's optional to follow directions made by ENGINEERS for your SAFETY.

To this point, I believe it comes down to the fact that many (most?) DIYers don't replace the bracket bolts and have not had any issues. That's a lot of data points to build a strong case. Also, given that many mechanics reuse the bolts with the understanding that specs can be unnecessarily strict at times (and they can intelligently determine which specs those are), then you can kind of see why many reuse them, themselves.

As I stated, I replace mine because I'm a perfectionist, but I don't put this in the same category with more critical elements of the vehicle.

0stones0 · 12-09-2022, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NOT A 45

Idefy anyone to show me a technician anywhere who uses a torque wrench when performing brake service.....doesn't make it right but it's a fact! As for brake part recommendations, if your dead set on oem which would be my first choice, I've had good success with CarQuest gold pads. I routinely use them on our used non-GM cars and have never had them come back being noisy.

Out of curiosity, what process do you use to determine that they’re tight (enough)?

12-07-2022, 04:38 PM	#1
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,922	new brakes getting ready to buy new rotors and pads for the front of my 2015 RS.dont want anything fancy,drilled,slotted.just OEM quality replacement parts or better.suggestions would be appreciated,as well as an answer to the question of reusing the torque to yield caliper bracket bolts.just watched a u tube video where they just reused the old ones,no loctite or anything...i dont want parts falling off.

12-07-2022, 04:49 PM	#2
0stones0 It don’t come easy. Drives: 2010 2SS RS M6 Join Date: May 2014 Location: WI Posts: 2,238 View My Garage	I reused my caliper bolts, when I adjusted the emergency brakes on the rears, this summer. Have total confidence in them. Loctite probably doesn’t hurt but, I didn’t bother. You got to crank ‘em pretty hard to get that last 1/4 turn (90* past the torque spec), trust me. __________________

12-07-2022, 06:46 PM	#6
KillboyPowerhead Drives: 2015 Z/22 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 934	I've reused the bolts too, when I took off the calipers and brackets to paint them; just threw on some blue loc-tite and torqued to roughly 100 ft/lbs (far from the TTY spec which works out to like 200 ft/lbs, but I was worried about snapping the bolt even at 100. Been a few years and the brakes still haven't fallen off. I'd just go with GM/OEM pads and rotors unless you can find cheaper from a reputable brand (Stop Tech, etc.). __________________ Overkill/Self Tuned; Mace Camshafts; K&N Typhoon Cold Air Intake; Ported 80mm Throttle Body/Intake Manifolds/Manifold Spacer; Solo Performance High-Flow Cats, Cat-back Exhaust; Vitesse Motorsports Throttle Controller; Elite Engineering E2 Catch Can; BC Racing BR Coilovers; JPSS Delrin Radius Rod Bushing Inserts, Sway Bars; Pegasus Aluminum Rear Cradle Bushings, Camber/Caster Plates; Z/28 Toe Links, Trailing Arms, Upper Control Arm Bushings, Rear Shock Mounts

12-08-2022, 09:01 AM	#7
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,768	A little red Loctite is good insurance although it does make taking them out a fitness event. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

12-08-2022, 10:01 AM	#8
ElderJ Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Central Florida Posts: 372	GM calls for the bolts to be replaced, which I do for every brake job on this car, but as others have stated, it's pretty much your call. Something to do with the bolts being under too much tension over time and possibly snapping? I don't know. I've never heard of anyone having an issue with reusing the bracket bolts; I just do it because I'm a perfectionist sometimes. I also just grabbed my brake parts from rockauto. Brakes are brakes. Last edited by ElderJ; 12-08-2022 at 10:47 AM.

12-07-2022, 05:54 PM	#3
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,922	so,basically like any other car,tighten them and then give it a good crank to make sure they dont fall out? wouls till like opinions on a good set of stock type rotors and pads...

12-07-2022, 06:40 PM	#5
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,922	ok,will borrow a torque wrench.thinking about NAPA rotors and pads or GM.

12-08-2022, 01:21 PM	#9
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,922	have to admit id feel a little better with new ones.but i bet most shops just reuse them.

12-08-2022, 04:47 PM	#10
Rock-It Man 376 cubic inches of fun Drives: 2023 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: MA Posts: 4,033 View My Garage	If they are TTY they should not be re-used. They have been torqued to the yield point, so now, when they are torqued to the same tension, they will begin to get work hardened and prone to failure. This discussion comes up fro time to time and I can't understand why people claim it's optional to follow directions made by ENGINEERS for your SAFETY.

12-09-2022, 07:51 AM	#11
NOT A 45 Drives: 13 CAMARO 2SS LS3-04 SILVERADO LS3 Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: SOUTHERN MARYLAND Posts: 802	I defy anyone to show me a technician anywhere who uses a torque wrench when performing brake service.....doesn't make it right but it's a fact! As for brake part recommendations, if your dead set on oem which would be my first choice, I've had good success with CarQuest gold pads. I routinely use them on our used non-GM cars and have never had them come back being noisy.