No U.S. vehicles allowed in Japanese "Cash for Clunkers"

Super83Z · 12-10-2009, 07:08 PM

If this happened here there would be an outrage. Japanese car companies will never be allowed to get close to failing:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...0Twc4jBk&pos=7

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Dec. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Japan’s version of a “cash for clunkers” program intended to spur auto sales discriminates against imported vehicles, Ford Motor Co., General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC said.

Japan’s effort “overwhelmingly benefits the purchase of domestic vehicles over imported ones by making the vast majority of imports ineligible for the program’s significant tax-cut benefit,” the U.S. auto companies wrote in a letter yesterday to the U.S. Trade Representative’s office.

Japan announced a 7.2 trillion yen ($81 billion) economic stimulus package last week that includes an extension of a program giving consumers incentives to buy fuel-efficient cars. No U.S. vehicles are eligible for the tax incentive offered under the plan, while 87 percent of Japanese-made vehicles qualify, the automakers said in their letter.

The Obama administration has raised the issue with Japan, and believes “changes are necessary to give U.S. vehicles greater opportunity to qualify under Japan’s program,” Carol Guthrie, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Trade Representative’s office, said in an e-mail.

The program encourages the purchase of energy-efficient vehicles, and both domestic and foreign brands can qualify under the same standards, the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association said in a fact sheet in September.

A message seeking comment from the media office of the Japanese Embassy in Washington wasn’t returned.

Under the U.S. cash for clunkers program that ended Aug. 24, consumers were offered discounts of as much as $4,500 to trade in older vehicles for new, more fuel-efficient models. The Transportation Department has distributed $2.85 billion under the initiative.

Japanese brands accounted for almost half of the sales under the U.S. cash for clunkers plan, the automakers said.

*DGthe3* · 12-10-2009, 07:11 PM

The Japanesse hardly allow any foreign cars into their market. I think GM sold around 2000 units in Japan last year

BackinBlackSS/RS · 12-10-2009, 07:13 PM

Yeah, well Toyota, Honda have plants everywhere here. Quite a different situation.

BOOTZILLA · 12-10-2009, 07:17 PM

Japanese companies employ thousands of Americans.

cyberbro · 12-10-2009, 07:22 PM

But if you think about it, it does make scenes. No one cannibalizes there own economy like we do.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 12-10-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BOOTZILLA

Japanese companies employ thousands of Americans.

In American car companies in Japan?

*DGthe3* · 12-10-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Yeah, well Toyota, Honda have plants everywhere here. Quite a different situation.

Yes, in one instance you have local government offering millions to foreign companies build assembly plants after federal laws were passed to force them to build in country. In the other, you have a protectionist government which generates millions of barely challenged sales for its own auto industry.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 12-10-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Yes, in one instance you have local government offering millions to foreign companies build assembly plants after federal laws were passed to force them to build in country. In the other, you have a protectionist government which generates millions of barely challenged sales for its own auto industry.

ViperTomcat · 12-10-2009, 08:23 PM

Then lets exclude all Japanese cars if we ever do cash for clunkers again.

Japan and their hypernationalistic xenophobia is just annoying as hell and frankly turn about would be fair play.

Next time lets exclude Nissan, Toyota, Honda and Mazda from our auto sales discounts and see how fast they have a stroke!!!

Dragon2U · 12-10-2009, 08:30 PM

If the entire store was written the way it should have been you would know that the requirements for the new car is 35.5 MPG.

How many US made cars make this requirement???? That is the reason that only 87% of Japans cars are eligible.

US automakers combined sales were only 8000 vehicles. This huge sales figure will not put a dent in saving any of the big 3 so why make a big stink about it?

Why can't reporters report the truth and not make issues out of nothing?

*Mr. Wyndham* · 12-10-2009, 08:30 PM

This is not new practice for Japan and it's BULL. Their protectionism is ridiculous (or smart, depending on how you look at it...) Either they need to let us in, and Buick will trample the competition like it does in China (hehe), or we need to keep them out. How's that sound?

F'n Japan......

BackinBlackSS/RS · 12-10-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

we need to keep them out. How's that sound?

F'n Japan......

But we could never get united together in this country to do this.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 12-10-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

But we could never get united together in this country to do this.

Honestly, it would be detrimental to do this...as sorry as the fact of the matter is....

But I can hope

...

BackinBlackSS/RS · 12-10-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Honestly, it would be detrimental to do this...as sorry as the fact of the matter is....

But I can hope

...

Yep

12-10-2009, 07:11 PM	#2
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	The Japanesse hardly allow any foreign cars into their market. I think GM sold around 2000 units in Japan last year __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

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Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	This is not new practice for Japan and it's BULL. Their protectionism is ridiculous (or smart, depending on how you look at it...) Either they need to let us in, and Buick will trample the competition like it does in China (hehe), or we need to keep them out. How's that sound? F'n Japan...... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

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BackinBlackSS/RS Go Blue!!!!! Drives: 2012 Cruze LT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 23,290	Yeah, well Toyota, Honda have plants everywhere here. Quite a different situation.

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ViperTomcat Banned Drives: 2011 Avenger Heat Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,697	Then lets exclude all Japanese cars if we ever do cash for clunkers again. Japan and their hypernationalistic xenophobia is just annoying as hell and frankly turn about would be fair play. Next time lets exclude Nissan, Toyota, Honda and Mazda from our auto sales discounts and see how fast they have a stroke!!!

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Dragon2U Drives: Waiting Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Here Posts: 36	If the entire store was written the way it should have been you would know that the requirements for the new car is 35.5 MPG. How many US made cars make this requirement???? That is the reason that only 87% of Japans cars are eligible. US automakers combined sales were only 8000 vehicles. This huge sales figure will not put a dent in saving any of the big 3 so why make a big stink about it? Why can't reporters report the truth and not make issues out of nothing?