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"World’s first renewable gasoline"
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Drives: you wild... Join Date: Mar 2007
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That's my grandparent's backyard. I'll have to see if I can tour the building when I go visit them nexxt.
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Very promising.
One question I can't find an answer to. Where does the CO2 come from?
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We, and our cars puke it out all day, everyday. That should help to silence the Enviro-nuts...No CO2 is actually going on the atmosphere and sitting there, it's more like recycling it back into the Algae through the atmosphere, which fuels our cars...
I'm reading those two sites now, I'll edit with any goodies I find. This does look very promising. Cellulosic Ethanol is still viable, but this seems to be...more viable. ![]() EDIT: nothing...there's no mention of yeild, or potential. Energy costs v energy yields; how much it can make, ect...nothing. |
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Sounds great. I like the idea of keeping the money in the country. But, I'd like to know what it costs to produce a gallon of this stuff, and how much that will translate to at the pump.
Ahhh, I love our county. That is just too damn cool.
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Hope this is true and can be made avaible to us Europeans. Very much want to be able to run my internal combustion engine driven cars for a long time to come.
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Suppose we want to make 1 barrel of oil equivalent product per hour. Oil is about 90% by weight Carbon, The hydrocarbon product of this biological process should contain close to the same carbon, and the specific gravity will be close. In a barrel of oil we need about 265 pounds of Carbon. CO2 is 27% Carbon by weight and currently averages about 300 parts per million worldwide. At sea level air weighs about 0.08 pounds per cubic foot. How many cubic feet of air does it take to hold 265 pounds of Carbon as CO2? 0.08 #/ft3 * 44/29 (weight correction) * 0.0003 (Concentration) = 0.0000364 lb. CO2/ft3 0.0000364 lb. CO2/ft3 * 0.27 lb C/lb. CO2 = 0.0000098 lb C/ft3 265 lb. C / 0.0000098 lb C/ft3 = 27 million cu. ft. of air. IF the extraction is 100% complete. (Which I'm sure is far fetched). In order to be efficient I'm sure the air must be transported to the algae. Natural convection would require an impossibly large area. General engineering guideline is that it takes 0.15 horsepower to move 1000 CFM of air. So to move 27 million CFH ( 450,000 CFM) it takes 67 horsepower or 50 killowatts. At $0.098 per kwh it has cost about $4.90 in electricity. Making that electricity out of the fuel just produced would consume about 2 gallons. Might be feasible to make 1 barrel of fuel per hour. Scaleup is staggering if you want to make 7 million barrels per hour. It would be equivalent to "washing" 100% of the CO2 out of 100% of the air above North America every two years! And that's if it were 100% efficient! Has to come from somewhere other than CO2 in the atmosphere. |
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the CO2 would most likely come directly from factories. It was either these guys or someone doing practically the same thing that were going to set up shop next to a brewery and use them as the CO2 source.
The basic concept is put algea into a plastic bag filled with water-> inject CO2-> expose to sunlight-> harvest oils-> make fuel. Not a whole lot of energy is needed, I think the oils are extracted by using a giant press (don't quote me on that though).
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This would all be great but photosynthesis only produces glucose and needs to maintain a cycle to keep it producing without extra input, so..are they making like a glucose gasoline or mixing it or something? I really don't fully understand that...but I spose thats what this company has unlocked so...
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the process of photosysthesis does produce glucose from water, CO2, and light. Sugar is the energy source for plants but it gets transformed into fatty oils for storage. In plants, fat is an oil not a solid (compare veggie oil to lard, bacon, or your gut . . .)
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Plants store glucose as starch, which is a polysaccaride. I am by no means a huge biochemistry guy, but I don't think plants store any form of fat naturally. As for oils, however, it is an unsaturated lipid...and they hold ALOT of energy, its just harder to break down in the body- nothing a spark can't fix though.
Forgot to add: it can't be too obvious though (whatever it is) otherwise everyone would be doing it haha.
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Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007
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owie, I thought the hydrogen thread was painful...
I honestly failed chemistry in college.
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The enviro nuts will have a field day with this and never allow it to happen...
What happens when the micro-organisms leak into water ways and the ocean and start displacing everything .. Yea i see way to many risks here.. especially on a large scale.
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I found a little something:
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