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Pro Stock John · 12-02-2015, 09:32 AM

I've done some searches, read some of the older threads but I still am not sure about all the parts needed.

I know we need a flex fuel sensor (bought it), more injector (didn't buy it yet) and probably need more pump (nope). Sounds like the stock injectors are 38-40, and we might need 57-65 lb ones?

Anyone stock cubes, heads, cam with real life experiences they can share?

Thanks!

BplumCrazy-SS · 12-02-2015, 10:17 AM

if I remember correctly I think a few people used the ZL1 injectors and pump....... but that setup will be maxed out

fif_gen_powa · 12-02-2015, 10:34 AM

Flex fuel sensor is nice to have but not needed if you run 100% e85
I know personally a cammed fbo camaro who got tuned on e85 and the only thing he changed was to the zl1 injectors.

flyer08 · 12-02-2015, 11:35 AM

I been trying to find out same info. If I knew zl1 pump and injectors would work id be all for it.

fif_gen_powa · 12-02-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by flyer08

I been trying to find out same info. If I knew zl1 pump and injectors would work id be all for it.

If you are N/A it's more than enough. My friends cammed ls3 drove to the dyno on empty, filled up with e85, swapped zl1 injectors (stock pump) and got tuned. Picked up 10-15 hp/tq throughout entire power band and peak.

SNSSTR · 12-02-2015, 12:03 PM

I have the flex sensor, siemens 63lb injectors, a ZL1 fuel pump and an ADM FPCM.

No issues, feeds plenty of e85 in!

Taco Time · 12-02-2015, 12:10 PM

I'm pulling 65lb injectors off my car in a couple of weeks. Just let me know if you want them.

I'm interested to see the dyno before and after.

Unreal · 12-02-2015, 12:14 PM

No reason not to run the sensor. It is cheap and works great.

60-65lb injectors would be more than enough for a NA combo. Fuel pump maybe, just depends on power level.

Friend gained 50rwhp on his NA 427 going from 91 to e85. Depends on state, but AZ gas is horrible and barely takes any timing, so swapping to e85 allowed him to run 7-8 degrees more timing.

I just swapped on my car, and it is amazing.

Pro Stock John · 12-02-2015, 01:39 PM

Hey Taco will send you a pm.

I'm hearing that the ZL1 injectors might be enough, some folks say they are not.

A few folks have said the ZL1 fuel pump and module are enough.

SNSTR what sort of power are you making?

SNSSTR · 12-02-2015, 01:48 PM

Hey I'm making 529hp/494tq on e85. About 15/15 less on 93. Don't have a big cam in my 416. I do have ported heads and a port matched fast Lsxr though. 1-7/8" headers.

krisprz2010camaross · 12-02-2015, 01:50 PM

I'm going to get flex fuel done in a month and I was told that all I would need is the flex fuel sensor, zl1 fuel pump, adm fpcm and zl1 injectors since I am going to stay N/A. Can't wait to sleep the corn lol

Unreal · 12-02-2015, 02:10 PM

ZL injectors would be fine for ~480-500ish rwhp on corn, but if you are going for 500+ NA may run out.

Can always just blend fuel to you hit the limit. Maybe be limited to e60-e70 but that is still a great improvement.

Taco Time · 12-02-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Hey Taco will send you a pm.

I'm hearing that the ZL1 injectors might be enough, some folks say they are not.

A few folks have said the ZL1 fuel pump and module are enough.

SNSTR what sort of power are you making?

I believe you're friends with Jaime Rodriguez on Facebook (AKA, J-Rod Jr.) Send him a message and ask what they think. They're converting mine to e85 this month. Just a lot more of it. LOL.

Pro Stock John · 12-02-2015, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

ZL injectors would be fine for ~480-500ish rwhp on corn, but if you are going for 500+ NA may run out.

Can always just blend fuel to you hit the limit. Maybe be limited to e60-e70 but that is still a great improvement.

I made 463rwhp on a load dyno a year ago, and I trap 125 MPH at 3800-3850 raceweight. So how much power do I make you think Nick?

12-02-2015, 09:32 AM	#1
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	E85 N/A? I've done some searches, read some of the older threads but I still am not sure about all the parts needed. I know we need a flex fuel sensor (bought it), more injector (didn't buy it yet) and probably need more pump (nope). Sounds like the stock injectors are 38-40, and we might need 57-65 lb ones? Anyone stock cubes, heads, cam with real life experiences they can share? Thanks! __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

12-02-2015, 10:17 AM	#2
BplumCrazy-SS Drives: 416 w/TH400 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 697	if I remember correctly I think a few people used the ZL1 injectors and pump....... but that setup will be maxed out __________________ ERL 416 - 12.5 cr, TH400, Custom VVT Cam, PRC 255 heads, NW 102 TB, Aeromotive stealth fuel system, Fast 102 plumbed with a nitrous express direct port kit, BMR 15" conversion kit

12-02-2015, 10:34 AM	#3
fif_gen_powa Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Turbo Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,525	Flex fuel sensor is nice to have but not needed if you run 100% e85 I know personally a cammed fbo camaro who got tuned on e85 and the only thing he changed was to the zl1 injectors. __________________ 388ci 91/104 Turbo TH400 8.3@164 https://instagram.com/turbo_ls3/

12-02-2015, 12:03 PM	#6
SNSSTR All About That Speed Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Memphis Posts: 1,181	I have the flex sensor, siemens 63lb injectors, a ZL1 fuel pump and an ADM FPCM. No issues, feeds plenty of e85 in! __________________ 2010 SS M6 \| 416 CI \| H/C/I \| GPI TUNED \| SNSSTR

12-02-2015, 12:10 PM	#7
Taco Time Drives: 2014 1SS Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Angleton, TX Posts: 1,339 View My Garage	I'm pulling 65lb injectors off my car in a couple of weeks. Just let me know if you want them. I'm interested to see the dyno before and after. __________________ Taco's 2014 SS Mods: 417 Stroker \| CAI \| Bo's PTB \| Kooks LTs \| Flowmaster Outlaw Catback \| Night Fury Cam \| Powerbond UDP \| Apex Catch Can \|PRC Ported Heads \|FAST 102 Intake \|Suspension Crap\| Built by J-Rod.

12-02-2015, 11:35 AM	#4
flyer08 Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 3,418	I been trying to find out same info. If I knew zl1 pump and injectors would work id be all for it.

12-02-2015, 12:14 PM	#8
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	No reason not to run the sensor. It is cheap and works great. 60-65lb injectors would be more than enough for a NA combo. Fuel pump maybe, just depends on power level. Friend gained 50rwhp on his NA 427 going from 91 to e85. Depends on state, but AZ gas is horrible and barely takes any timing, so swapping to e85 allowed him to run 7-8 degrees more timing. I just swapped on my car, and it is amazing. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

12-02-2015, 01:39 PM	#9
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	Hey Taco will send you a pm. I'm hearing that the ZL1 injectors might be enough, some folks say they are not. A few folks have said the ZL1 fuel pump and module are enough. SNSTR what sort of power are you making? __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

12-02-2015, 01:48 PM	#10
SNSSTR All About That Speed Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Memphis Posts: 1,181	Hey I'm making 529hp/494tq on e85. About 15/15 less on 93. Don't have a big cam in my 416. I do have ported heads and a port matched fast Lsxr though. 1-7/8" headers. __________________ 2010 SS M6 \| 416 CI \| H/C/I \| GPI TUNED \| SNSSTR

12-02-2015, 01:50 PM	#11
krisprz2010camaross Drives: 2010 Camaro 2ss/Rs Transformers Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Yorba Linda, California Posts: 1,564	I'm going to get flex fuel done in a month and I was told that all I would need is the flex fuel sensor, zl1 fuel pump, adm fpcm and zl1 injectors since I am going to stay N/A. Can't wait to sleep the corn lol __________________ YouTube:Krisprz garage Insta:kris__perez & krisprz_garage LS3 conversion Vararam intake(tune model) Kooks LT headers & cats delete Corsa ZL1 3" exhaust RedBarn Racing Tune CMS Stage 3 Cam AFR CNC ported heads MSD Spark plug wires LNC-2000 Launch controller NGK TR6 Spark Plugs 1le strut tower brace-TPIS spacers Nick Williams 102mm throttle body Fast lsxr 102 intake manifold Slp 25% UDP Katech Tensioner Pulley Circle D 3600-3700 multi disk Stall GM 3.91 gears DDS carbon fiber driveshaft ZL1 fuel pump & injectors Flex fuel sensor(91/E85) https://wheelwell.com/kris-perez

12-02-2015, 02:10 PM	#12
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	ZL injectors would be fine for ~480-500ish rwhp on corn, but if you are going for 500+ NA may run out. Can always just blend fuel to you hit the limit. Maybe be limited to e60-e70 but that is still a great improvement. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp