House passes Bill to overturn dealership closings

Super83Z · 07-17-2009, 04:44 PM

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bill-to-...ouse-vote.html

Hmmm, wonder how far it will go?

Vash · 07-17-2009, 05:52 PM

It should be killed off it's not constitutional IMO. Once the Judiciary takes the case the legislative branch has no authority over the issue. It's a seperation of powers now. Just my 2c. And that's not politics that's law discussion* (loophole?? lol).

Super83Z · 07-17-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vash

It should be killed off it's not constitutional IMO. Once the Judiciary takes the case the legislative branch has no authority over the issue. It's a seperation of powers now. Just my 2c. And that's not politics that's law discussion* (loophole?? lol).

Your right but its a vicious circle. The government bent the rules and caused this to happen. Can 2 wrongs make a right?

stovt001 · 07-17-2009, 06:31 PM

This bill is so stupid I have literally lost the ability to even argue against it. It so defies logic I can't find the right logical place to start.

chevydude26 · 07-17-2009, 09:03 PM

so you guys are saying that the government had a right to close those dealerships...let alone take ownership of gm and then hand it off to the unions....

keep buying into that mentality and we'll all be driving chevy golf carts...stop being mindless sheep and supporting gm just because its gm

this is no longer the same gm...its like a zombie right now a shell of its former self...until a private buyer buys up the government and union owned portion of gm it won't be really gm

*Mr. Wyndham* · 07-17-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chevydude26

so you guys are saying that the government had a right to close those dealerships...let alone take ownership of gm and then hand it off to the unions...

They didn't. At the risk of sounding mean; get that through your head. The union owns a grand total of 11%...and that HAS to be converted into cash soon, because it funds their healthcare trust. As for the governments stake, they've been incredibly "hands off" beyond the initial chapter 11 processes. Even ask Bob Lutz!

If I may use your insult against you: "stop being mindless sheep and acting all paranoid because it's more interesting than the TRUTH."

They may own the company on paper, but there are NO plans to actually run the company, as has been stated by multiple entities on BOTH side...numerous times...PLUS, there are plans in place to take the company public again early next year. So relax.

You are right about one thing, though...this isn't the same GM...This is the GM we've dreamed off for decades. One with a strong product lineup, smart management (smart-er, if you don't totally agree), and no debt or bloodsuckers (retiree benefits) to deal with.

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Originally Posted by stovt001

This bill is so stupid I have literally lost the ability to even argue against it. It so defies logic I can't find the right logical place to start.

I'm pretty much with you: this exceeds the vanity and stupidity even I thought our congress was capable of.

If they wanted to cancel the contract after they expired due to POOR PERFORMANCE...they can, that's legal...it just so happens that it occured all at once....

On another note...how is this even possible when the Chrysler dealerships are already closed with no cars, and no contract...and the GM dealerships AGREED to close? Wha-huh?

PQ · 07-17-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

This bill is so stupid I have literally lost the ability to even argue against it. It so defies logic I can't find the right logical place to start.

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

this exceeds the vanity and stupidity even I thought our congress was capable of.

If they wanted to cancel the contract after they expired due to POOR PERFORMANCE...they can, that's legal...it just so happens that it occured all at once....

On another note...how is this even possible when the Chrysler dealerships are already closed with no cars, and no contract...and the GM dealerships AGREED to close? Wha-huh?

to both of you.

Dragoneye, you seem to have a lot of trust toward the situation that the car companies will be handed back over to the private sector. The OPs article is an example of the opposite. I'm just wondering. Where are you getting this trust from?

*Mr. Wyndham* · 07-17-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by irpq11

Dragoneye, you seem to have a lot of trust toward the situation that the car companies will be handed back over to the private sector. The OPs article is an example of the opposite. I'm just wondering. Where are you getting this trust from?

PM being sent.

Supermans · 07-17-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

They didn't. At the risk of sounding mean; get that through your head. The union owns a grand total of 11%...and that HAS to be converted into cash soon, because it funds their healthcare trust. As for the governments stake, they've been incredibly "hands off" beyond the initial chapter 11 processes. Even ask Bob Lutz!

If I may use your insult against you: "stop being mindless sheep and acting all paranoid because it's more interesting than the TRUTH."

They may own the company on paper, but there are NO plans to actually run the company, as has been stated by multiple entities on BOTH side...numerous times...PLUS, there are plans in place to take the company public again early next year. So relax.

You are right about one thing, though...this isn't the same GM...This is the GM we've dreamed off for decades. One with a strong product lineup, smart management (smart-er, if you don't totally agree), and no debt or bloodsuckers (retiree benefits) to deal with.

I'm pretty much with you: this exceeds the vanity and stupidity even I thought our congress was capable of.

If they wanted to cancel the contract after they expired due to POOR PERFORMANCE...they can, that's legal...it just so happens that it occured all at once....

On another note...how is this even possible when the Chrysler dealerships are already closed with no cars, and no contract...and the GM dealerships AGREED to close? Wha-huh?

When it is time to sell off Government control of GM, do you honestly think that the Union won't be given majority control of GM at that point? I don't have a crystal ball, however that is the most logical choice this administration will make.. The UAW will have over 51% and the rest will be sold off to the public making it look like they are giving it up.. The UAW contributed quite a bit of money in campaign donations and why would the current administrations party not want to keep that going...

PQ · 07-17-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermans

When it is time to sell off Government control of GM, do you honestly think that the Union won't be given majority control of GM at that point? I don't have a crystal ball, however that is the most logical choice this administration will make.. The UAW will have over 51% and the rest will be sold off to the public making it look like they are giving it up.. The UAW contributed quite a bit of money in campaign donations and why would the current administrations party not want to keep that going...

Because that would just be wrong.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 07-17-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermans

When it is time to sell off Government control of GM, do you honestly think that the Union won't be given majority control of GM at that point?

Well, yes, I do!

Ugh...I dunno....*thinking*...This is purely hypothetical, as was your posted outcome:

Because the majority of the country doesn't like UAW -- in fact, they see them incorrectly as the sole reason GM failed in the first place, and such a bold move would be seen as such dirty politicking that a re-election campaign would be worthless. The 'other' guy would have too much ammo.

manimsoblack · 07-17-2009, 11:44 PM

so much

it gives me a headache...

Vash · 07-17-2009, 11:50 PM

To me what's done is done. Just looking at the original subject. Only the Supreme's or Appeals can overturn a bankruptcy judge. The other 2 branches have no authority over the current GM. It's protected by the Chapter 11 laws from any kind of stuff.

Supermans · 07-17-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Well, yes, I do!

Ugh...I dunno....*thinking*...This is purely hypothetical, as was your posted outcome:

Because the majority of the country doesn't like UAW -- in fact, they see them incorrectly as the sole reason GM failed in the first place, and such a bold move would be seen as such dirty politicking that a re-election campaign would be worthless. The 'other' guy would have too much ammo.

I hope you are right and I am wrong in this case.. The other scenario is the Government runs and dictates what GM does forever..

07-17-2009, 04:44 PM	#1
Super83Z Drives: 1999 Z28 1983 Z28 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: City of Champions,MA Posts: 615 View My Garage	House passes Bill to overturn dealership closings http://www.leftlanenews.com/bill-to-...ouse-vote.html Hmmm, wonder how far it will go? __________________ Current cars: 99 Z28 06 Silverado 14 Silverado

07-17-2009, 06:31 PM	#4
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	This bill is so stupid I have literally lost the ability to even argue against it. It so defies logic I can't find the right logical place to start. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

07-17-2009, 09:03 PM	#5
chevydude26 Drives: Future 2011 camaro convertible Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,256	so you guys are saying that the government had a right to close those dealerships...let alone take ownership of gm and then hand it off to the unions.... keep buying into that mentality and we'll all be driving chevy golf carts...stop being mindless sheep and supporting gm just because its gm this is no longer the same gm...its like a zombie right now a shell of its former self...until a private buyer buys up the government and union owned portion of gm it won't be really gm __________________ I think i flip flopped on the ss bumper...it looks good man...it really does

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07-17-2009, 05:52 PM	#2
Vash Drives: 00 Blazer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 5,100	It should be killed off it's not constitutional IMO. Once the Judiciary takes the case the legislative branch has no authority over the issue. It's a seperation of powers now. Just my 2c. And that's not politics that's law discussion* (loophole?? lol).

07-17-2009, 11:50 PM	#13
Vash Drives: 00 Blazer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 5,100	To me what's done is done. Just looking at the original subject. Only the Supreme's or Appeals can overturn a bankruptcy judge. The other 2 branches have no authority over the current GM. It's protected by the Chapter 11 laws from any kind of stuff.