2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD - Page 7

VADER SS L99 · 05-07-2012, 01:42 AM

I don't know why alot of you guys are shocked or debating this issue. I have been saying for years that Ford is going to put a TVS blower on the Mustang and low and behold they did it the same year GM decided to go after their market. The 2013 GT500 is going to run 10's bone stock with nothing more than a good driver,track and some drag radials. You can mark my words and quote me on that if if you like. Anyone who says that it will be a drivers race is either a fanboy or in fantasy land and needs to come back down to reality. Whoever said that the motor is maxed out is also in lala land and we will be seeing some 800 RWHP #'s on the stock longblock shortly after its release. The only thing Ford messed up with that car is not offering a auto option. GM just flat out messed up on this one and I'm really disappointed in them. I really wanted to see a car stack up to the new GT500 in terms of performance because this is of corse a PERFORMANCE CAR and everything else should come second. You want a nice ride and luxary comforts go buy a Cadillac. You want a true sports car that does fantastic in the road course go buy a Vette. These are Pony/ muscle cars which means brute force in a straight line. They didnt have to put the actual exotic dry sump LS9 in the ZL1 but something in between the LSA and LS9 would have been great like a fully forged LSA with a 2.3 TVS blower putting out 12 psi. Something with lots of room to grow on the factory motor the way the Ford does. Even if the track times end up being somewhat similar with stock tires who cares because the GT500 will be some drag radials away from owning the ZL1. I dont even consider drag radials a mod becuase its not like it voids the warranty or really change the car in any way. Your changing DOT legal tires of 1 brand to DOT legal tires of another brand. When I think of the new ZL1 I think EPIC FAILURE because GM made the car for the sole purpose of taking on the GT500, beating it in every way and putting a serious dent in that market which the GT500 previously had no competition. I'm a GM fan before being a Ford fan but I think GM messed up with this 1. ZL1 owners are going to feel the same way Mustang GT owners felt in the early 2000's when the Z28 was destroying the GT.

BoostedX2 · 05-07-2012, 04:24 AM

Times do change. What was the standard in the past may or may not be the goal in the future. Live with it! Just saying...

assasinator · 05-07-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

No, seriously I was asking what SAE standard. Saying SAE is incomplete unless it is followed with a more specific reference to a standard number. That is all I am saying.

I'm not trying trying to pick any fights here at all. It's just that 99% of the people on here do not understand how these ratings are corrected and whatthe difference is between gross and net. It seems some in this thread still do not. I'm leaving a lot out and was trying to give a general overview. Just understand that thes ratings may be generated differently from mfr. to mfr.

yeah man, the sae net hp is more like 375. im with you on this.

1ltcap · 05-07-2012, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NoWRX

From what I can tell, there are certain people here you're not allowed to disagree with, and I'm not talking the mods either. I haven't figured out who those people are until after after the fact, however.

yea......we get called fanboys, then banned or warned of impending banning, if we disagree with one of the true fanboys i guess.

Fenderaddict2 · 05-07-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by oldlugs

WHY is that? Fast electrics offer as much or MORE torque, from zero RPM. What's the problem with a fast electric? Once battery technology improves, electrics will take over. Sorry if that kills your wood.

BTW- here's a relatively low budget example... that runs 10s.

http://player.vimeo.com/video/19651664

Maybe not your kind of car, but just to give an idea of what electrics offer...

An engineer I know says there are 3 kinds of liars. Liars, damn liars, and battery engineers.

Fenderaddict2 · 05-07-2012, 08:29 AM

Or as he says, "The next big thing is electric cars. Always has been. Always will be."

Fenderaddict2 · 05-07-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zee Elle Juan Fan

Can't wait for the gt500 and the zl1 to go head to head, I am offering a free box of tissues for the fraud rustang boys.

Al O doesn't bs!

Should be soon. The GT500 is back in Germany and press day is in a few weeks.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...burgring-video

VenomInside · 05-07-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zee Elle Juan Fan

Al O doesn't bs!

LMAO! See the convertible thread.

platinum ss · 05-07-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BowtieBelle

I love bench racing

KKreme15 · 05-07-2012, 11:19 AM

Looks to handle the track pretty comfortably

ffrcobra_65 · 05-07-2012, 11:57 AM

I cant tell but did it have roll bars?

KKreme15 · 05-07-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

I cant tell but did it have roll bars?

I couldn't tell, either. Time will tell

*GTAHVIT* · 05-07-2012, 12:47 PM

Most factory (production) cars do don't they? I think the CTSV did and the ZR1 had a roll bar...

I mean shouldn't they run the ring with roll bars...

Bob Cosby · 05-07-2012, 12:53 PM

I *think* I saw a diagonal cross bar between the front seats a couple of times when I viewed it earlier. According to what I've read on this site, a rollbar is mandatory for running "the ring".

View Poll Results: ZL1 or GT500, Which one would you get?
ZL1	5	35.71%
GT500	9	64.29%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

05-07-2012, 01:42 AM	#85
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	I don't know why alot of you guys are shocked or debating this issue. I have been saying for years that Ford is going to put a TVS blower on the Mustang and low and behold they did it the same year GM decided to go after their market. The 2013 GT500 is going to run 10's bone stock with nothing more than a good driver,track and some drag radials. You can mark my words and quote me on that if if you like. Anyone who says that it will be a drivers race is either a fanboy or in fantasy land and needs to come back down to reality. Whoever said that the motor is maxed out is also in lala land and we will be seeing some 800 RWHP #'s on the stock longblock shortly after its release. The only thing Ford messed up with that car is not offering a auto option. GM just flat out messed up on this one and I'm really disappointed in them. I really wanted to see a car stack up to the new GT500 in terms of performance because this is of corse a PERFORMANCE CAR and everything else should come second. You want a nice ride and luxary comforts go buy a Cadillac. You want a true sports car that does fantastic in the road course go buy a Vette. These are Pony/ muscle cars which means brute force in a straight line. They didnt have to put the actual exotic dry sump LS9 in the ZL1 but something in between the LSA and LS9 would have been great like a fully forged LSA with a 2.3 TVS blower putting out 12 psi. Something with lots of room to grow on the factory motor the way the Ford does. Even if the track times end up being somewhat similar with stock tires who cares because the GT500 will be some drag radials away from owning the ZL1. I dont even consider drag radials a mod becuase its not like it voids the warranty or really change the car in any way. Your changing DOT legal tires of 1 brand to DOT legal tires of another brand. When I think of the new ZL1 I think EPIC FAILURE because GM made the car for the sole purpose of taking on the GT500, beating it in every way and putting a serious dent in that market which the GT500 previously had no competition. I'm a GM fan before being a Ford fan but I think GM messed up with this 1. ZL1 owners are going to feel the same way Mustang GT owners felt in the early 2000's when the Z28 was destroying the GT. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

05-07-2012, 08:29 AM	#90
Fenderaddict2 Opinionated bugger! Drives: Boss 302, Mazda 2, Praga & Intrepid Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Oakville Posts: 1,897 View My Garage	Or as he says, "The next big thing is electric cars. Always has been. Always will be." __________________ Follow me on forums everywhere as Fenderaddict2 or my kid on the track and Twitter @fastmyles

05-07-2012, 12:47 PM	#97
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	Most factory (production) cars do don't they? I think the CTSV did and the ZR1 had a roll bar... I mean shouldn't they run the ring with roll bars... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

05-07-2012, 04:24 AM	#86
BoostedX2 Drives: VR ZL1 #259/Nissan 370Z NISMO Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,071	Times do change. What was the standard in the past may or may not be the goal in the future. Live with it! Just saying...

05-07-2012, 11:19 AM	#94
KKreme15 Drives: C6 Z06 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Dayton, MD Posts: 1,645	Looks to handle the track pretty comfortably

05-07-2012, 11:57 AM	#95
ffrcobra_65 Account Suspended Drives: SuperCharged 2SS/RS IOM MN6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: CA Posts: 5,094	I cant tell but did it have roll bars?

05-07-2012, 12:53 PM	#98
Bob Cosby Drives: 2010 Vette Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 572	I think I saw a diagonal cross bar between the front seats a couple of times when I viewed it earlier. According to what I've read on this site, a rollbar is mandatory for running "the ring".