2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Yes you certainly could build a SS or GT to go just as quick, and you will loose every cent of mod money put into the project as well as the initial value of the car had you left it stock. You will also stress every component of the car which was not designed to handle the increased performance. Bottom line is if you want to go fast pay for the right vehicle: ZL1, GT500, or Hellcat, rather than nickel and diming yourself to death with mod money on a SS, GT, R/T only to loose it all when it comes time to sell.

have to be careful here

once you start entering into the racing realm then you have to realize that parts will (not if) break.

The hellcat running 10.80s on drag radials and everything else stock - that is an awful lot of car for the $$$


With that said - there are an endless amount of 5.0L Fox Bodies that will easily beat the Hellcat in the 1/4 for about 1/4 the price as well.
Fast drag cars are easily found if all one is looking for is cheap speed.

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

anyone know if the 2 keys things is true? I heard they will have two keys. one that will restrict the car to around 500hp, and another key that will unlock the full potential of the car. This could bypass the gas guzzler tax.

this comes from SRT itself in a couple of videos on youtube

[96MrBass]

I'm pretty sure everyone that mods their car realizes that they are NOT getting it back lol in most cases.

[Todd in Vancouver]

I really looking forward to seeing this beast and hope I get to see at a local track. This whole one upman ship is very cyclical and I was just reading the next Mustang is rumoured to be 750hp. I certainly hope so because it'll mean a better chance of a 6th Gen ZL1 to outdo them all. For a while anyways.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[RoostKing]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

anyone know if the 2 keys things is true? I heard they will have two keys. one that will restrict the car to around 500hp, and another key that will unlock the full potential of the car. This could bypass the gas guzzler tax.

Yes 2 keys, Red = 707, Black = 500. Also a valet mode

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Something being overlooked by some is a relatively modern convenience I suspect Fiat-Chrysler paid a LOT of attention to: electronics.

"Skinny" tires aren't so skinny when the launch electronics are turned up to "KILL!"

The other data missing is the torque curve, and when/where all that boosted low end grunt hits. Again, electronics come into play...

You'll also notice this one is Automatic-equipped, which adapts well to a fully integrated electronic system.

There are New OEM cars with less than 700 hp running 10s in the 1/4-mile...

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

No, I meant what I wrote...word-for-word...

I don't need YOU to interpret what I wrote any other way that what it said, thank you. English is NOT a second language to me. It may be to you...

Is it possible for a Hellcat to run low 11's, with an 8-speed Automatic, on 275-wide tires? Yes, for the reasons stated.

Can one on DRs possibly break into the 10s, so equipped? It's certainly not impossible, under ideal conditions, with max'd electronics...which is where I said Mother Mopar spent a LOT of time getting 'em right.

Don't assign my name to anything else...

LOL Wut??

You rambled on about electronics blah blah "on kill" blah. Then mentioned the vehicle in the video being an auto. Attempting to further prove your point as if that actual pass was impressive in reality.

It was a promo video and the damn car might have ran a 12.5. I guess your theory of "on kill" electronics really made whatever that car ran possible correct?

Also id like to see this list of factory vehicles running 10's with less than 700hp.

[2009FLHX]

Its a good looking car all in all. If anything like the '10 I owned, the interior in person will be still be a flop. Heavy cars with marginal cornering capabilities. For a street car and daily driver, I think Mopar has definitely stepped up to the plate with this one. With that being said though, the ZL1 is about to get a cam change and smaller upper pulley in the coming weeks......here kitty kitty, I got something for you...lol

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by 2009FLHX

Its a good looking car all in all. If anything like the '10 I owned, the interior in person will be still be a flop. Heavy cars with marginal cornering capabilities. For a street car and daily driver, I think Mopar has definitely stepped up to the plate with this one. With that being said though, the ZL1 is about to get a cam change and smaller upper pulley in the coming weeks......here kitty kitty, I got something for you...lol

LMAO at that....funny

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by AEP11

Then mentioned the vehicle in the video being an auto. Attempting to further prove your point as if that actual pass was impressive in reality.

The low 11's (275-equipped) and high 10s (DR-equipped) reported are for Automatic-equipped cars, SIMILAR TO CAR SHOWN IN THE VIDEO. I did NOT say, or even suggest, the video DEMONSTRATED a time as reported.

It was a promo video

Correct. As are Ralph Gilles' smoke shows @ Carlisle.

... and the damn car might have ran a 12.5.

If you say so. You've made 70 posts in this thread, so you are the undoubted expert. We bow to your expertise and knowledge... BTW, welcome back! I see the Witness Protection Program has worked out well for you.

I guess your theory of "on kill" electronics really made whatever that car ran possible correct?

In practise, the best reported times in an Automatic-equipped Hellcat are benefitted significantly by well-sorted electronics. That's NOT my stupid uneducated assessment; that information sharing comes from TWO well-placed Mopar sources. The Manual versions are somewhat slower...because their electronics package for obvious reasons can NOT be maximized to the same level, particularly on OEM street tires.

How so? Look at GT-Rs, and Porsche Turbo Ss, and other non-fully-manual-equipped vehicles to see the interplay between their launch control electronics. MUCH quicker off the line, partly due to AWD, and also assisted by well-sorted electronics. And the Porsche Turbo S would be one example of a vehicle with well-less than 700 hp that is well-capable of sub-11-second 1/4-mile sprints. As will a well-driven ZR1.

And finally, the GT500 with its 5.81 lb/hp meets or betters the Hellcat's weight-to-power number...and pretty much matches the Hellcat in expected 1/4-mile times on OE tires WITH A MANUAL TRANS. Were the Shelby available with an "electronically-integrated Automatic with aggressive launch management system" (my quote), its times would no doubt plunge, as well...

You'll also be encouraged to know that at least TWO "special" Gen-6 Mustangs are currently burning up the track @ Nurburgring...and one is reported to be an Automatic. I suspect it may NOT necessarily be intended for secretaries. It may, in fact, be intended to turn a quicker 1/4-mile time than its clutch-connected brother...

[hockeylover86]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Data from that time supporting my statement. Chevy's accomplishment at the time was amazing.

2011/12 GT500
Fastest Laps 0-60: 4.1s, ¼ mile 12.4s @ 117 MPH
Car and Driver 0-60: 4.1s, ¼ mile 12.4s @ 117 MPH
Motor Trend 0-60: 4.1s, ¼ mile 12.4s @ 115.8 MPH
Road & Track 0-60: 4.3s, ¼ mile 12.4s @ 119.4 MPH (CTS-V beat the GT500 going 12.3 @ 118.4 MPH)

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_shelby_gt500.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-road-test-review
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1104_2011_chevrolet_corvette_2011_ford_shelby_gt50 0_2012_nissan_gtr_comparison/viewall.html
http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roadandtrack/data/68fe292c986ee5b24ad31e5ddd7341cb.pdf

ZL1 - Auto
Fastest Laps 0-60: 3.8s, ¼ mile 12.1s @ 117 MPH
Motor Trend 0-60: 3.8s, ¼ mile 12.1s @ 117.4
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/chevrolet_camaro_zl-1.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._shelby_gt500/

Looks pretty closely matched to me..

Besides the '13 GT500 was released within a month of the ZL1 so they almost exclusively overlap..

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by ZEDL1

I may have used the wrong term, 2door. In saying "solid", I meant "live", as in not an IRS rear end.

Do all of those cars that you mention have IRS? I'm not that well versed regarding Chrysler produucts, sorry.
Thanks for clarifying.

So much fail. It is an independent suspension all around.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by 2009FLHX

Its a good looking car all in all. If anything like the '10 I owned, the interior in person will be still be a flop. Heavy cars with marginal cornering capabilities. For a street car and daily driver, I think Mopar has definitely stepped up to the plate with this one. With that being said though, the ZL1 is about to get a cam change and smaller upper pulley in the coming weeks......here kitty kitty, I got something for you...lol

'13 plus interiors were a major upgrade.

[HEMI DAVE]

Well boy's it's official

......Hellcat base price is $59.9K base

....and some other factoids as per Dodge.....

[Bhobbs]

Props to Dodge for making this thing real.