Ford Mustang Outsells Chevy Camaro in 2009 - Page 7

wbt · 01-07-2010, 12:02 AM

I would love to see a 3.73. Inability to get anything but a 3.45 and no aftermarket gears available have been a sticking point with me. Hope that rumor comes true.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-07-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wbt

I ask you the same question.

The answer I would give you does not validate your statement as fact. So I give you no answer. Just this: "

"

Given the uncomfortably close outcomes between reviews on the 2010 Mustang and the 2010 Camaro...the Camaro team will not ignore the opportunity to upgrade the Camaro and keep it competitive. The best move here is to adopt a "wait and see" approach, not spout what we think as fact...unless you're a journalist.

wbt · 01-07-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The answer I would give you does not validate your statement as fact. So I give you no answer. Just this: "

"

Given the uncomfortably close outcomes between reviews on the 2010 Mustang and the 2010 Camaro...the Camaro team will not ignore the opportunity to upgrade the Camaro and keep it competitive. The best move here is to adopt a "wait and see" approach, not spout what we think as fact...unless you're a journalist.

I can appreciate that but have to go off of what facts we have available atm just like everyone else.

a_Username · 01-07-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The answer I would give you does not validate your statement as fact. So I give you no answer. Just this: "

"

Given the uncomfortably close outcomes between reviews on the 2010 Mustang and the 2010 Camaro...the Camaro team will not ignore the opportunity to upgrade the Camaro and keep it competitive. The best move here is to adopt a "wait and see" approach, not spout what we think as fact...unless you're a journalist.

You mean the ones who justified the Mustang being better because of its ability to perform better in individual handling tests?

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-07-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wbt

I can appreciate that but have to go off of what facts we have available atm just like everyone else.

Which are....none. All I'm saying is that you stated a lack of factual information to be, in itself, fact. That's not valid logic.

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Originally Posted by a_Username

You mean the ones who justified the Mustang being better because of its ability to perform better in individual handling tests?

Well...yeah. Not that I agree, but the perception is there.

wbt · 01-07-2010, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Which are....none. All I'm saying is that you stated a lack of factual information to be, in itself, fact. That's not valid logic.

Well...yeah. Not that I agree, but the perception is there.

Time will tell. I am willing to eat my crow are you? As I decide between each car I would love to see more for my money and would welcome any 2011 updates to the Camaro. This is a non-biased point of view and can say for a FACT what I posted was correct. Like it or not.

A bit overly sensitive are we? Yes.

rodimus prime · 01-07-2010, 12:56 AM

You will get more for your money with the Camaro if your planning on modding it. LSX motors respond to mods way better than dohc motors, and are cheaper to mod at that.

meanmike · 01-07-2010, 12:58 AM

Phucking Mustang owner's.

rodimus prime · 01-07-2010, 01:05 AM

I know, its like they are still angry that from 1993 until 2011 they didnt produce a mustang gt that could beat a z28...and there wasnt even competition for 7 years. Hell I could probably go back to 1986's 350 tpi and that statement would still hold true.

*Milk 1027* · 01-07-2010, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wbt

Time will tell. I am willing to eat my crow are you? As I decide between each car I would love to see more for my money and would welcome any 2011 updates to the Camaro. This is a non-biased point of view and can say for a FACT what I posted was correct. Like it or not.

A bit overly sensitive are we? Yes.

not overly sensitive, but once again, your arguments are not based on facts.

kevin2323 · 01-07-2010, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbt

Time will tell. I am willing to eat my crow are you? As I decide between each car I would love to see more for my money and would welcome any 2011 updates to the Camaro. This is a non-biased point of view and can say for a FACT what I posted was correct. Like it or not.

A bit overly sensitive are we? Yes.

LAWLZ

derklug · 01-07-2010, 01:25 AM

Expect the 2011 Camaro to stay basically the same, they have a lot of money tied up in the 2010 and any changes would take a year to implement, thus 2012. Mustangs will get more hp in 2011, but that will only attract the 20% of the buyers that base their decision on performance/price. Most buyers are looking at the nameplate and the look. They are not the hardcore racers and modders that both sides fanboys think will make or break the cars. Face it, a really ugly stock 10 second car would be a sales flop despite performance. Camaros will sell more in 2010 because of the huge backlog of people who have wanted a new Camaro for the last 5 years. Model year 2011(the one that actually starts in the fall) will be the real test.

djsnoflake · 01-07-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Really you went to the future to check out the mustangs performance and weight? Far better engine sound WTF? Really? You really think people say "well I think the mustang sounds better" LOL

Then your assuming the Camaro will have 0 changes on top of that.

I love you future people.

Want to make a bet on that 20lbs heavier nonsense?

ViperTomcat · 01-07-2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by derklug

Expect the 2011 Camaro to stay basically the same, they have a lot of money tied up in the 2010 and any changes would take a year to implement, thus 2012. Mustangs will get more hp in 2011, but that will only attract the 20% of the buyers that base their decision on performance/price. Most buyers are looking at the nameplate and the look. They are not the hardcore racers and modders that both sides fanboys think will make or break the cars. Face it, a really ugly stock 10 second car would be a sales flop despite performance. Camaros will sell more in 2010 because of the huge backlog of people who have wanted a new Camaro for the last 5 years. Model year 2011(the one that actually starts in the fall) will be the real test.

I wouldnt be surprised at all if there are some minor changes to the 2011 Camaro.

The 2009 and 2010 Challenger R/T's arent the same animal. They look the same on the outside, but inside there are a few ways to tell the two apart. Their engines arent direct copies of each other, neither is the suspension or computer.

Expect some changes in 2011, maybe a more aggressive stock tune to bring the HP and TQ up slightly to compete with the V6 Mustangs..but thats about it.

2012 is the model year to look out for, thats when you'll see some pretty interesting changes in the Camaro to respond to both the 6.4L SRT8's and the 5.0L GT's. My bet is that if the Z28 isnt brought into production, the SS's will get some boosts.

01-07-2010, 01:25 AM	#96
derklug Drives: 12 Boss 302 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Posts: 1,369	Expect the 2011 Camaro to stay basically the same, they have a lot of money tied up in the 2010 and any changes would take a year to implement, thus 2012. Mustangs will get more hp in 2011, but that will only attract the 20% of the buyers that base their decision on performance/price. Most buyers are looking at the nameplate and the look. They are not the hardcore racers and modders that both sides fanboys think will make or break the cars. Face it, a really ugly stock 10 second car would be a sales flop despite performance. Camaros will sell more in 2010 because of the huge backlog of people who have wanted a new Camaro for the last 5 years. Model year 2011(the one that actually starts in the fall) will be the real test. __________________ The biggest mistakes in life come when you know exactly what you are doing.

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wbt Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Challenger R/T;2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,105	I would love to see a 3.73. Inability to get anything but a 3.45 and no aftermarket gears available have been a sticking point with me. Hope that rumor comes true.

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rodimus prime Account Suspended Drives: Cargo van. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Metal Metal Land Posts: 1,247	You will get more for your money with the Camaro if your planning on modding it. LSX motors respond to mods way better than dohc motors, and are cheaper to mod at that.

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meanmike Account Suspended Drives: FIRST ON RACE DAY Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,170	Phucking Mustang owner's.

01-07-2010, 01:05 AM	#93
rodimus prime Account Suspended Drives: Cargo van. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Metal Metal Land Posts: 1,247	I know, its like they are still angry that from 1993 until 2011 they didnt produce a mustang gt that could beat a z28...and there wasnt even competition for 7 years. Hell I could probably go back to 1986's 350 tpi and that statement would still hold true.