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Old 11-19-2009, 03:27 PM   #85
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I think the point is put a regular person is his shoes and they would be in jail with a monster bail.

And would probably get fired if they couldn’t get out on bail or be guaranteed a pay check.

But the cop gets to walk, and will full pay.


That is not equal justice.
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Old 11-19-2009, 03:30 PM   #86
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The officer is not proven guilty by this vid alone. After the investigation is done and all the facts are laid out then he should be punished if guilty. So yes he should be suspended with pay until then. A normal person would not have to worry about losing there job over this kind of stupidity. I have worked many accidents and yes the officers speed is a strong contributing factor, the accident would not have happened if the officer was doing the speed limit. It also may not have happened if the teens had been paying attention (officer had already passed the other speeding police car before the teens had started there turn) and if the had came to a full turn instead of cutting the corner (you can see the point of impact is not in the middle of the intersection and the inbound median on the right was in at the point of impact) or could that be just camera play? Won't find out until the AI investigates the crash scene.

Tragic either way.
I thought there was a driveway entrance before the intersection? Just assumed. I don't know.
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Old 11-19-2009, 04:06 PM   #87
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So now the topic has moved to him only being suspended with pay. So since he is a cop he is guilty until proven otherwise. See you have proven with your own words. Your against cops and when you get a chance you bash them. Sad world you most likely voted for Obama for president as well.
Nope. No driveway. Kinda odd.
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Old 11-19-2009, 04:09 PM   #88
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Yea I see cops speeding around all the time. but hey, they are above the law right?


Makes me SICK to see shit like this.


How does a citizen's arrest work?
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Old 11-19-2009, 04:31 PM   #89
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Like I said. He killed two individuals. He made a mistake, but he still needs to be convicted. If he is not convicted, then that shows what kind of justice system we have.
exactly. I'm sure he is suffering, knowing what he did. Too bad. He should have thought about that possibility BEFORE he decided to do 94 in a 40 through town. At night. I have no sympathy for the man.
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So now the topic has moved to him only being suspended with pay. So since he is a cop he is guilty until proven otherwise. See you have proven with your own words. Your against cops and when you get a chance you bash them. Sad world you most likely voted for Obama for president as well.
Police officers must be held to a higher standard, because they should know better than to break the laws they uphold. Imo, he should at least be suspended without pay. If, for whatever reason, he is found NOT to be at fault, they can pay him back for however long he went without getting paid.
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Don't forget the possibility that the department completely seperates him from themselves and he's punished to the max.

I'm confident justice will be served here.
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The officer is not proven guilty by this vid alone. After the investigation is done and all the facts are laid out then he should be punished if guilty. So yes he should be suspended with pay until then. A normal person would not have to worry about losing there job over this kind of stupidity. I have worked many accidents and yes the officers speed is a strong contributing factor, the accident would not have happened if the officer was doing the speed limit. It also may not have happened if the teens had been paying attention (officer had already passed the other speeding police car before the teens had started there turn) and if the had came to a full turn instead of cutting the corner (you can see the point of impact is not in the middle of the intersection and the inbound median on the right was in at the point of impact) or could that be just camera play? Won't find out until the AI investigates the crash scene.

Tragic either way.
How can you say for sure the teens weren't paying attention? The only thing we know for sure is the patrol car was moving at high rate of speed (more than double the limit). Lets seperate fact from speculation...also lets not forget they were 'teens' most likely with a lot less experience in sight distance judgement (especially at high rates of closure) as those of us who have many years of driving experience.
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How can you say for sure the teens weren't paying attention? The only thing we know for sure is the patrol car was moving at high rate of speed (more than double the limit). Lets seperate fact from speculation...also lets not forget they were 'teens' most likely with a lot less experience in sight distance judgement (especially at high rates of closure) as those of us who have many years of driving experience.


Actually a very good point. So even if they made a mistake (debateable) it wouldn't have been a fatal mistake without the officers bigger mistake.

Difference. The officer sped on purpose in premeditated defiance of the law. The kids was instantanious. The speeding driver had over 2 minutes to slow down. The kid had less than a fraction of a second to fix his presumed mistake.
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How can you say for sure the teens weren't paying attention? The only thing we know for sure is the patrol car was moving at high rate of speed (more than double the limit). Lets seperate fact from speculation...also lets not forget they were 'teens' most likely with a lot less experience in sight distance judgement (especially at high rates of closure) as those of us who have many years of driving experience.
Regardless of weather the teens were paying attention or not, they made a PERFECTLY legal turn at a flashing light. Flashing red means: stop.
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Regardless of weather the teens were paying attention or not, they made a PERFECTLY legal turn at a flashing light. Flashing red means: stop.
I don't get the point you're trying to make, was it a legal turn or should they have stopped? Wouldn't the officers have stop for the flashing red lights as well since they were not in response mode?
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I don't get the point you're trying to make, was it a legal turn or should they have stopped? Wouldn't the officers have stop for the flashing red lights as well since they were not in response mode?
Yeah, that was the point I was going for, sorry if that got confused.
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Yeah, that was the point I was going for, sorry if that got confused.
It's all good, thanks for the clarification
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How do you know they were all flashing red. Judging by the looks of the strip, I'd bet they were yellow for the cops and red for the side streets.

Either way, Yeild means yeild. Hard to yeild at 94mph
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