New low for Law Enforcement Harassment: Ticketed while pumping gas.

[Banshee]

First off...

It's YOUR FAULT for not switching the plate..

Secondly, it's YOUR FAULT for not taking your business with why your license was suspended.

Sick of people blaming law enforcement for their own lack of responsibility.

An officer does NOT need to see you driving to write the plate issue. Oh...you wanted him to give you the opportunity to switch the plate so you would NOT get a ticket AND give you a break on the suspended license? How did the car get there? YOUR car, in YOUR name with YOU standing right next to it with the keys to YOUR car in YOUR hand?

Dude...seriously...MAN UP. You are irresponsible and blame others for your issues.

No wonder why the USA is so screwed up. No integrity or accountability.

[Banshee]

Originally Posted by FastEddie

Read the thread. I stated A FRIEND WAS DRIVING in my post. I was caught PUMPING GAS, and received a criminal moving violation!
I just want someone to side with me that it was a nit-picky ticky tack kinda stop. People act as if they would be like "I totally deserved that happening!", if it were to happen to them.

Then I read this and raise the flag.

Are you serious?

Pahleese...

In 23 years in Law Enforcement...7 in the state of Florida and 12 in Detroit, I have never heard the "my friend was driving and left me" excuse...NEVER. So..with this, working 23 years have I first hand or through another officer heard this lame excuse...

Why would he leave you mysteriously when the popo showed up? Did he have warrants? A wanted person?

If that's the case, and you are "rolling dirty" yourself, perhaps you need to find friends who aren't wanted....cause there would be NO reason for your friend to bail on you...thats why I raise the liar flag. We are trained to know what's what and your "story" is so incredulous, its incredible!

On a side note....If, and I say if...you can get this friend to testify that he was driving, maybe, just maybe, the magistrate may believe you....But remember, magistrates and Judges hear just as much, if not more than we do.

[Banshee]

Originally Posted by FastEddie

Read the thread. I stated A FRIEND WAS DRIVING in my post. I was caught PUMPING GAS, and received a criminal moving violation!
I just want someone to side with me that it was a nit-picky ticky tack kinda stop. People act as if they would be like "I totally deserved that happening!", if it were to happen to them.

So your friend was driving the car...he got out with you and went into the store right?

Why was it then that YOU had the keys to YOUR car in YOUR hand?

Seems to me there would be NO reason, logical or otherwise for your friend to drive, give you your keys back, then you give the keys back...Right? Lets hear more excuses...You had a gas fob on your keychain and had to pay for gas? Had a frequent rewards UPC card on your keychain?

I am sorry for being so prickish, but the more I read, the more BS flags raise up. I am sure many others here agree.

Maybe you should change your screen name from Fast Eddie to "Slick Rick"?

[CamaroMiami]

Originally Posted by FastEddie
I dont like your tone but ,Pretty good advice "Skip". I plan on working it out.
If you gave me this advice in person though, I doubt you'd say it quite the same way...

Originally Posted by skip_168

true, at the end I usually say, "sign here, and press hard there are multiple copies, here is your driver's license back, drive safe..."

except in your case, I would keep the license & throw it in the glove box with my collection of suspended driver's licenses...

Be careful FastEddie and try to always be legal

[Bay Area SS]

The story has a few odd points to it....but I can tell you that 75 percent of cars I see I run the plates. That's how you catch crooks in stolen vehicles is by doing this. Put it this way if someone stole your car I'm sure you would want the cops to run the license plate and catch the crook. I'm sure at some point you were observed driving. Sorry Bro but it sounds your guilty for the cite. Good luck in court too, the tags your prob not going to be able to dispute and the susp license I already touched on. Plus cops spend a majority of their "time off" testifying in court so needless to say its gunna be a tough one for you.

[xlroadster]

Originally Posted by Bay Area SS

The story has a few odd points to it....but I can tell you that 75 percent of cars I see I run the plates. That's how you catch crooks in stolen vehicles is by doing this. Put it this way if someone stole your car I'm sure you would want the cops to run the license plate and catch the crook. I'm sure at some point you were observed driving. Sorry Bro but it sounds your guilty for the cite. Good luck in court too, the tags your prob not going to be able to dispute and the susp license I already touched on. Plus cops spend a majority of their "time off" testifying in court so needless to say its gunna be a tough one for you.

So if Joe Blow's license is suspended but owns the car Jane Blow is driving. Jane follows all traffic laws. If you run the car's plate and it comes back to a suspended owner, do you then pull them over?

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by FastEddie

Read the thread. I stated A FRIEND WAS DRIVING in my post. I was caught PUMPING GAS, and received a criminal moving violation!
I just want someone to side with me that it was a nit-picky ticky tack kinda stop. People act as if they would be like "I totally deserved that happening!", if it were to happen to them.

Bro Id side with you in a second with the right facts, Uve had plenty of BS pull overs.

But on the other hand admittedly a few legitimate ones. You said your friend left when he saw the cop, so how was the cop suppose to know you werent driving?

And you had the wrong plates on, he may have actually looked at your car and in his head went, "Wow what a sweet car, wait...those plates dont match, I hope its not stolen..."

Cop cars nowadays have cameras that can instantly pick up plates and check for proper registration, he may not have even been looking. The computer may well have alerted him to it.

Then, yes he is being nit picky for giving you a ticket for that, he probably asked to see your license so he could write you a ticket for the plates. Then he saw your license was suspended....

Honestly as much as I hate BS pullovers, Im glad at least that they get nit picky over registration and plates, that way stolen cars are found more often. And some ass with no insurance and stolen plates wont crash into me.

Im not even sure why you needed to gas up your car with a suspended license either, you arent going anywhere.

You still havent explained where your friend that was driving went, which is key.

If your friend was still there, and told the cop he was driving, then its all good, otherwise like I said, how was the cop suppose to know you werent driving?

How about a real BS pullover story for you? I was once in a not so good area in NYC visiting junk yards for car parts. On the way out a crown vic with two men pulled up next to my friend and I, our windows were down so the men shouted at us. "Hey (insert bad word) nice piece of shit car you got there!."

I just gave him the finger (young and stupid) and rolled up the windows and sped up a bit to get away from the guy, never went over 45 in a 35/
Turns out it was 2 undercover cops that felt like bothering someone. They pulled me over, LITERALLY pulled me and my friend out of the car and threw us on the ground.

Then they started searching my whole car and trashed it. They though we or at least I was a drug dealer because they ran my plates and saw I wasnt from there at all. They then tried to apologize and say that "this is a dangerous area, you shouldnt be down here."



THATS a BS pull over, not you with a suspended license alone with a car pumping gas into it....

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by xlroadster

So if Joe Blow's license is suspended but owns the car Jane Blow is driving. Jane follows all traffic laws. If you run the car's plate and it comes back to a suspended owner, do you then pull them over?

They shouldnt, doesnt matter if your license is suspended and someone else drives the car you own, perfectly legal.

[2ndgenz28]

Depends on what for, i know here in ohio if u get caught with no insurance they take your plates. I was much younger and the sherrif slim jimmed my car to grab the front plate off the dash. Instead of just asking for it.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by xlroadster

So if Joe Blow's license is suspended but owns the car Jane Blow is driving. Jane follows all traffic laws. If you run the car's plate and it comes back to a suspended owner, do you then pull them over?

You aren't supposed to if you CAN identify the driver is not a male born during the year of X.

For instance, it sounds like OP had a friend of similar age and sex... so even if the cop was behind him and it said OP's license was suspended, there is nothing that shows us which passenger is actually OP. Only that he would be a young male approximately X years old.....that is your probable cause. THE ONLY exclusion would be if I see the suspended driver is a male on my computer, and it is clearly a female driving. If it is a male, I am going to stop it... in FL, you are permitted to make that stop, but once you ID a different driver you must end the stop. That means I cannot even check the license of the other driver as long as they prove they are not OP.

This is all irrelevant in this case because OP had a different plate that wasn't assigned to his vehicle any longer... I believe his fathers. For those of you that don't know, this is a very common tactic for people who have warrants or suspended licenses and KNOW they do. They put a tag that has someone else's name on the vehicles so they cannot be stopped for that violation. This obviously isn't the case with OP, it was merely an accident and he was going to park the vehicle at the pump overnight because his friend left to go to his Church group.

[PM Designs]

The department could always pull the video showing the pump area, therefore showing only you exiting the vehicle. And if by some chance they do see Casper on the video exiting from the driver's seat when they review evidence for the case at the DA's office they will most likely drop the charges for driving with a suspended liscense.

Also at my dept. after all of that you'd be in jail and your car towed.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by FastEddie

You're right @Brantley. I could've helped myself out. I exacerbated things.(Tag, tint) GRANTED. I feel like these things could be "cool cop" stories if it were some1 else though-- but the world doesn't owe me anything. A fair shot would be Nice. With the occasional break thrown in. Re: Pleaing" the 5th" I'm not electing $#!+.... , this is a criminal matter and I have to answer to this IN COURT. Officer shouldn't be so willing to f__k up a polite pedestrians record w/o proof or any real need.

Officer could have cited me for a number of things. But he was nice enough to write me up for the ONE thing he can't equivocate. So in a way lucky me!

+1 to those who tried to get me to contradict myself -that was cute.

Ok two truths and a lie time:

I will beat this case and post.

Profiling is something I made up cuz i h8 rulez . I need to grab Mah bootstraps and stop wearing targits.

Running tags on cars at gas pumps however legal is S.O.P. for the wackest of officers.

If you don't provide a defense and do plea 5th, you will lose. I am not trying to be disrespectful, it is common sense. The concept that the state has the burden of proof is only so true to a degree... My guess is he will say physical control was available based on the vehicle being in motion at one point, and you are there when he makes stop. I am not saying it is true, I am saying that is what will probably happen... not saying I would have issued a citation for it. Personally, if I really wanted to get a conviction for DWLS, I would run your tag, left, and wait for you to leave down the road...subsequently, having you on video driving. Now who would you hate more... the cop who just issued a ticket, or the one who saw your tag was illegal and waited for you to (or any friends) to drive away to make an arrest? There is no win in this situation, the cop will be profiling in your eyes either way...even if one is less conventional than the other.

You have a 50/50 shot winning that case, I never denied that...here is what I believe will happen.

The state will not have an affidavit to charge you because he wrote a ticket...if he had arrested and had a report to back it, the charge would have stuck. Subsequently, they will allow you to plea out...drop this charge...but get you for a lesser moving violation or just the tag violation and assess it as a non-moving violation.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by PM Designs

The department could always pull the video showing the pump area, therefore showing only you exiting the vehicle. And if by some chance they do see Casper on the video exiting from the driver's seat when they review evidence for the case at the DA's office they will most likely drop the charges for driving with a suspended liscense.

Also at my dept. after all of that you'd be in jail and your car towed.

Only about 10% of the vehicles here in FL actually have cameras.... Miami having as many financial issues with their municipalities would be no exception..

IF the cop is smart... he would pull the gas station video feed and bring that to court. Done that plenty of times....my guess is when he gets a subpoena for court, that may happen.

[SSOOCH]

Originally Posted by solo40oz

I must be drunk or something....this thread is incoherent.

this!