why arent there beautiful exotic LOOKING cars in the 20k range??

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by TOMS1SS

You can have a base Camaro, Mustang, Challenger or even a Genesis for around 25k tops. Just be willing to be paying a couple grand extra for the those looks on your DD.

the looks on the cars you listed dont even come close to what i was referring to and ill leave it at that.

PS. im not looking for a new DD car.

[TOMS1SS]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

By the way, a quick Photoshop MonaroSS at GMI cooked up using the Code130R Concept...



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Camaroize the front and they got a good 6th Gen look.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

By the way, a quick Photoshop MonaroSS at GMI cooked up using the Code130R Concept...



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One of my biggest criticisms with the 130R concept was the fact they're entertaining the idea of cannibalizing sales that should be Camaro's. 2+2, small, sporty RWD car...helllllloooooo!!!!

That concept to me....look old. I guess it's supposed to, right? Chevy heritage and all that...but it looks older than even the current Camaro. I'd hate to see them step...back.

Cool PS work, though.

[FenwickHockey65]

I wasn't a fan of the 130R myself. Amazing how much better it looks with a less upright greenhouse and no stupid reversed B-pillar.

[TOMS1SS]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

the looks on the cars you listed dont even come close to what i was referring to and ill leave it at that.

PS. im not looking for a new DD car.

Like I said, if you aren't willing to pay the piper you aren't going to get the looks. If 3k to 5k is that big of a deal you shouldn't be the market for a 20k plus car period.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by liquidsmoke

The answer to this question is simple.

Looks are a premium, allways has been allways will be.
Everybody knows, if something looks better you can instantly charge more for it, no matter what it is.
Cheap cars look cheap, because the people who make them, make them look cheap on purpose.
I seriously doubt it's more expensive to make a cars shape more appealing, and this is mostly what we are talking about. Not fancy materials like carbon fiber that are expensive because of the complicated process to make it. There is nothing about an exotic cars shape that is specificly more expensive to do than another shape. Maybe slightly more cost for some things, but nothing anywhere close to justifying the cost of such vehicles.

If that truely were the case, the camaro should be a lot more expensive.
On the outside, the camaro is just as unique looking as any other high end exotic car.
Does anyone really believe that the designers of cheap cars really tried to make it looks as good as they could?
What motivations do they have to make a cheap car look any better than a non cheap car?

thats what i was trying to find out.
so is it really because they build cheap cars to look cheap on purpose? or is it because a badass looking car really wont sell??

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

thats what i was trying to find out.
so is it really because they build cheap cars to look cheap on purpose? or is it because a badass looking car really wont sell??

That all depends on what your definition of "looks cheap" is.

Cruze, Focus, and Elantra are received very well in the market because they look and feel more premium than they actually are for a reasonable price tag.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by TOMS1SS

Like I said, if you aren't willing to pay the piper you aren't going to get the looks. If 3k to 5k is that big of a deal you shouldn't be the market for a 20k plus car period.

well the market at 25k doesnt look much better to me. Youre focusing on the wrong part of the story. 20k was just mostly an arbitrary number.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

thats what i was trying to find out.
so is it really because they build cheap cars to look cheap on purpose? or is it because a badass looking car really wont sell??

I don't think it's a matter of looking "cheap" on purpose...personally, I think it's a matter of looking familiar for the buyers in the segment.

If it looks like an economy car, albeit an attractive one as economy cars go (ala Cruze)...then it must behave like an economy car...designers I'm sure study the psychology of their designs as much as the interactions of shapes an colors...

[liquidsmoke]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

thats what i was trying to find out.
so is it really because they build cheap cars to look cheap on purpose? or is it because a badass looking car really wont sell??

Ultimately I think it's mixture of both, but leaning heavily on the side of we charge a premium for looks.

This is something that is ingrained in every culture and centuries of conditioning.
Society itself collectively agrees on what looks good and what doesn't. Sure individuals may have their own specific taste for something, but even that is shaped by society. Then in turn we naturally charge more for things people want more or can't live without.
Diamonds are a perfect example. Humans like shinny shit. A diamond is nothing but a shiny rock and people do all kinds of things to get one. Concrete on the other hand is cheap.

[hightower]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

that answer wasnt detailed enough though and was incredibly vague. not helpful at all actually.

Sorry that wasn't good enough.

If a manufacturer is going to put a lot of time into a car to make it look exotic or different then every other, it's going to cost A LOT of money. People don't realize that MILLIONS go into simply the design of a car. A concept car itself can cost millions alone. So a manufacturer isn't going to dump millions into a car, and sell it off for a marginal profit. Also, a manufacturer is going to take into consideration whether people are buying the car for looks or whatnot.
It's all about market appeal. If a manufacturer see's that a consumer such as yourself likes the look of a car a lot, they're going to try to get you to spend as much as possible within your limits. It makes logical sense if the manufacturer wants to make as much profit as possible.


To sum it up, exotics are "exotic" for a reason. Because they stand out, there's not as many of them. Bring a ferrari down to 30,000 and people will scoop them up all over the place. Is it exotic then? Nope.



You're not gonna get exotic looks without the price. Not in a new car at least.

[TOMS1SS]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

well the market at 25k doesnt look much better to me. Youre focusing on the wrong part of the story. 20k was just mostly an arbitrary number.

Well I guess that's your issue with taste or at the very least you don't tend to sway with a large number of car buyers. I'm not sure what you really realistically expect. If an automaker can make a car that looks awesome and that everyone wants to buy into a 20k package, why would it be sold at 20k? If there is such a demand, why not raise the MSRP to the point where the majority consumer will still buy the product without it affecting sales. 20k is WAY to low of a dollar amount to get something that looks truly exotic. Besides most people want something they can use every day, that's why not everyone drives a pony car.

[liquidsmoke]

Also, it should be noted. Exotic is just a word for things that don't look normal.
There are plenty of exotic cars that look like ass, but because they are easily seen as different and thus must be expensive you have yourself an exotic car.

How much money would it really have cost GM to put in fender vents and real gill cut outs?
Prob not much at all and I think we all agree it would look better. If it were so much more expensive people wouldn't be able to do it so easily on there own for couple hundred bucks.
But that design detail is probably reserved for the vette.

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

looks good. it really does (looks kinda like a sebring), but im looking for more. Why cant an affordable daily driver car LOOK more like this:

but instead they all look like this

and this

1990 Fiero GT prototype. Mid Engined, two seater commuter car. GM killed the car in 1989 because of 'Bad PR and fires' but in reality.. it cut into the Corvette's bottom line. MSRP: about the price of a Chrysler Lebaron.

There you have it.

Also for comparison: 1988 Fiero GT: