If You Hate The New Challenger?

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

I thought the Liberty/Nitro were getting the 4.0 Phoenix and the Challenger/Charger/300 were gettting a 3.6 variant.

It's all speculation anyway...

Not so:

Allpar

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

I have tried to find fault with that statement and cannot. It is quite possibly the most perfect statement ever.

you must be a good spleler then

[Beelzebubba]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Not so:

Allpar

Yeah, 3.6

3.6 V6 Premium Y LY, L2, R2, Challenger, GC

4.0 V6 Base Next Pacifica, Dakota, Ram, Liberty, LY, GC,
Commander, Wrangler; current Nitro

They've decided, but it hasn't been physically built yet.

The government could decide tomorrow that T Boone Pickens is right and mandate that all new cars be CNG powered.

I'm such a geek, I would probably take a DOHC 2.7 CNG powered Challenger if I could shift gears for myself....maybe running on natural gas will help the 2.7's sludge problem.

[Beelzebubba]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

you must be a good spleler then

Muh speelink iz ahhsum.

But seriously anything against the Daimler Benz overlords is good enough for me.

You know the Ron White joke about his brother-in-law with the Mercedes Benz?

"I went to show my brother in law my new van. I wanted to show him cause he's such a prick. So I drive my van over and he says 'Ron I cannot believe you didnt buy a Mercedes Benz'

They dont make a van

'Ron you dont fully understand the intricities of a mercedes benz engineering. I have 3 inch wipers that keep my headlights clean in a rain storm.'

I got a place to f*** your sister!

I dont know why they didnt like me"

Yep. That's my Brother-in-law. He's still bragging that he got the first SLK in the entire state of Ohio.

Yeah, but you didn't get the SLK55 AMG so you still suck.

[Muscle Master]

your right 3.6 it is, been a while since I read the the article, hope the economy is great, should be, everything seems to be going great, Only problem I see is that Mercedes-Benzs with be utilizing the engines design as well, Look like they like are american engineering now, .........or is it the other way around

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The challenger and Camaro are similar in general body shape for the side profile. But the styling details are all different. Also, the camaro weighs "only" 300 lbs less than the challenger. 300 lbs can make a pretty big difference

200 lbs

you have to compare auto to auto. When the manual challenger comes out then compare those weight differences. Anyhow 200 still makes a difference.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

I like the Challenger, BUT;

It is a recycled Mercedes Benz chassis...that's not necessarily a bad thing.

The Bean counters are ruining this thing. 4 spd automatic in the SE? WTF? I know they want to keep the costs down but c'mon. The clutch hydraulics are already in production, the six speed manual is already produced in large numbers, and I don't think that the 5 speed automatic costs that much more anyway.

I don't know why they didn't just drop the new Ram 1500's 4.7 (that's supposed to make 290-310 hp depending on which magazine you read) and six speed in it. Maybe CAFE concerns? Maybe they're expecting to sell a LOT of the updated Rams next year? (even though fullsize truck sales are down so much that you can get a new V8 F-150 Supercab for less than a Civic) Maybe the new 4.7 doesn't meet emission standards for cars.

IMHO, A 290 hp V8 Challenger under $25,000 would sell in large enough numbers to make it worthwhile.

Resurrect the Plymouth name. Give us a Barracuda variant. Hemi 'Cuda....oh, I got goosebumps just uttering that name.

GM can resurrect Oldsmobile too although I'm not sure how to make 442 work on the Zeta chassis. 400 hp, 4 passenger, 2 exhausts? Sell it at Buick dealers. 'cause their not selling anything anyway.

PISTOL GRIP! Dammit Dodge! you retro-style everything else and then stick a shifter in it that looks like a cross between a Porsche Boxster and a Mitsubishi Eclipse shifter.

And the Avenger. Charger Jr. Way to recycle a Hillman name. You don't even offer a manual transmission. What exactly is this car supposed to "avenge" with a slushbox?

And while Dodge is at it, they can stop wasting perfectly good SRT/4 engines in that ugly jellybean Caliber body. Maybe an Avenger SRT/4?

I agree they messed up a great opportunity with the SE hopefully they fix it in 2010. I will be turning my challenger into a cuda easily I'll share pics when I do. Also the 2009 challenger comes with a pistol grip and 6 speed with 3.92 gears .

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

no one here can dispute the fact no matter how much you like the challenger or not that at 50k it's not worth it. and if I'm labeled a fanboy because of that statement so be it. I've only owned GM products so guess that makes me a fanboy.

50K is a rip. I knew it would happen when they announced 08s would be limited. Hopefully it doesn't happen with the camaro. And no your opinion doesn't make you a fanboy. Any of the 3 mustang challenger or camaro is a ripoff at 50k.

[Beelzebubba]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

50K is a rip. I knew it would happen when they announced 08s would be limited. Hopefully it doesn't happen with the camaro. And no your opinion doesn't make you a fanboy. Any of the 3 mustang challenger or camaro is a ripoff at 50k.

That's what I say about the Shelby Mustang GT500.

It's freaking cool, but I just don't think it's $42,170 + whatever the dealer tacks on cool ( because he is only getting one of these so he's going to make his money on it dammit)

[JaysonAych]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

You know the Ron White joke about his brother-in-law with the Mercedes Benz?

The only thing I never liked about that joke is that Mercedes DOES make a van

Still, Ron White is awesome

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

200 lbs

you have to compare auto to auto. When the manual challenger comes out then compare those weight differences. Anyhow 200 still makes a difference.

294 to be exactly, I wonder if the Challys extra 3 horses it got over the maro wil make a difference, Ha just joking they have the better weight ratio and thats it, and the ratio difference is not all that bad, but when it comes down to it at the track, I think shifting is all that matters if the maro and chally were to go head to head proformence wise, one wrong shift and your seeing taillights

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Our new Camaro? Do you work for GM or something? It's funny how so many GM fanboys are down on the Challenger but ga-ga over the new Camaro when they have a lot of similar stling cues.

I like all the pony cars, but I love the Camaro. I actually like the Charger better than the Challenger, I think the Challenger's front and rear ends are lame. Also, what's with this shifter leaning so far forward?

Edit: Aw crap, hotlinking not allowed...
http://www.allpar.com/photos/shows/NY08/stick.jpg

It looks like you'll whack your knuckles on those buttons if you can even shift all the way without having to push the shifter entirely from behind...and it looks broken being almost parallel to the ground.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

294 to be exactly, I wonder if the Challys extra 3 horses it got over the maro wil make a difference, Ha just joking they have the better weight ratio and thats it, and the ratio difference is not all that bad, but when it comes down to it at the track, I think shifting is all that matters if the maro and chally were to go head to head proformence wise, one wrong shift and your seeing taillights

I think it's 220 something compare auto to auto

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by theholycow

I like all the pony cars, but I love the Camaro. I actually like the Charger better than the Challenger, I think the Challenger's front and rear ends are lame. Also, what's with this shifter leaning so far forward?



It looks like you'll whack your knuckles on those buttons if you can even shift all the way without having to push the shifter entirely from behind...and it looks broken being almost parallel to the ground.

AT least no challenger owner will be bumping into gauges down there where no gaugs belong. jk