If Someone Was Stealing Your...

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Trentin24

First off, I wouldn't ever leave my car on in the driveway for more than 10 seconds. With that being said. If I were to leave it started and unattended and were to walk out and see someone in it that I thought had a gun and was pointed at me. And I had a gun handy yes I would shoot him, not to kill but to wound. The last thing I would want is for my car to be hurt. Also if the person is trespassing on your property can't you warn them and if they don't comply aren't you allowed to act in a way to remove them? But if you were to leave your car running. Hear someone get in it would you have time to go out of your way to grab a firearm? I'd dial 911 if I suspected something, and if I saw someone in my car I would hit the call button. Is a car worth someone's life? No. Is a car worth a criminal/thief/punk? You tell me

Every state is different with what you can do and what you can't when it comes to protecting yourself and/or your property.

In Pa, he would have been fare game. Although, I have a carry permit so I want to kill everyone.

[Trentin24]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Every state is different with what you can do and what you can't when it comes to protecting yourself and/or your property.

In Pa, he would have been fair game. Although, I have a carry permit so I want to kill everyone.

I mean you see someone beating the chit out of your car with a baseball bat, what are you going to do? Let alone someone get behind the wheel of your car. He/she could blow up the engine, tear up the gears, burn off the tires, wreck the car, tear up the interior, who knows what else. That's a lot of money and a lot of power. He runs over a child and ditches the car, you would be the first suspect!

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by GbrilliantQ

Guns are the problem and the way people can get them so easily...

You've got to be kidding me

[Trentin24]

Originally Posted by GbrilliantQ

Guns are the problem and the way people can get them so easily...

Actually I would say camaros are the problem. It's the owners fault his car got stolen because he has such a desirable car. He should've bought a Prius right? That would've solved the problem. What's the second amendment?

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Trentin24

Actually I would say camaros are the problem. It's the owners fault his car got stolen because he has such a desirable car. He should've bought a Prius right? That would've solved the problem. What's the second amendment?

who stole a camaro? lol it was a 1997 suburban...

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by kalimus

You've got to be kidding me

This is why we are doomed as a society because there are so many morons that have been brainwashed to think this way.

Once the guns are gone and people starting getting killed with knives, hammers, shovels or whatever else, these people will be trying to get rid of those things instead of trying to fix the reason for people wanting to kill or needing to out of defense.

[2001ragtop]

Originally Posted by kalimus

You have zero comprehension of 99% of gun owners. Zero. You're part of the problem.

What you said is like me saying you have zero comprehension of what 99% of NON-gun owners.

We all define what is "normal" differently, and this includes guns, marriage, religious things, etc, etc.

You can pretend that you are in charge of deciding what percentage that I need to understand of your definition of what is "normal" about gun owners, or standard information about gun owners.

But this is also like a true alcoholic trying to explain to everyone why he drinks so much alcohol every day, and then getting upset when he meets someone who does not drink alcohol at all.

Both people have different definitions of what they think is "ok". And luckily we live in a society where we all get to define what is going to be "ok" in their own personal life.

If every single person has a different definition of "normal", then this is going to apply with how they feel about their gun (or car, or family, etc.)

I already made my points and they weren't censored or modified as if I was running for public office. What you do with your gun is your business.

I already said I do not care. I am not required to care, unless your gun goes off in a church and kills someone by accident. If you do accidentally kill someone with your gun at church, I can decide for myself who I am going to feel sorry for.

Oh wait, you should not read what I just said, because one single person said it is called "trolling" to speak your honest opinion online about something. "Motorhead" is not a troll for saying what he thinks though. He is somehow exempt because his opinion carries a higher value than mine. I forgot to first screen my thoughts with him to make sure he approves of what I want to say.....Yet someone else who has decided to change the definition of the word "Troll", to make it work to his advantage.....what else is he going to "change" to make it sound like what I say has no relevance, even though I can easily back up why I think something.

I repeat: I respect your right to have a gun.

[Trentin24]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

who stole a camaro? lol it was a 1997 suburban...

Didn't read the story. Just a reference. Same point applies though. Its the owners fault that he had something that someone else wanted right?
It's a camaro forum. I just said camaro for that reason

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by motorhead

This is why we are doomed as a society because there are so many morons that have been brainwashed to think this way.

Once the guns are gone and people starting getting killed with knives, hammers, shovels or whatever else, these people will be trying to get rid of those things instead of trying to fix the reason for people wanting to kill or needing to out of defense.

guns will never be gone. government will take them away...all the law abiding citizens will give up their guns...bad guys will still have guns...

[SC2150]

That is a murder charge, or manslauhter in most all states I know of, and here in FL we have the best concealed and self protection rights in the country and that is murder.

Only can use deadly force if your, or someone near you's life is in imeadiate danger. Google FL Stand Your Ground law.

He may deserve it, but the law is the law.

I do hope they dont charge him.....

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Trentin24

I mean you see someone beating the chit out of your car with a baseball bat, what are you going to do? Let alone someone get behind the wheel of your car. He/she could blow up the engine, tear up the gears, burn off the tires, wreck the car, tear up the interior, who knows what else. That's a lot of money and a lot of power. He runs over a child and ditches the car, you would be the first suspect!

You wouldn't be the first suspect if you report the car stolen right away. A car isn't worth taking a life or loosing your own life over even though there are people that believe us gun owners want to kill everyone. I would just call the cops unless they came at me and I couldn't avoid them.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Shoot out tires, yank assailent out of vehicle, inflict pain till cops arrive. Raid his wallet for cash, if he robbed a bank before, I can get new tires. If not, I'm out some tires. Maybe some rims. Still have car.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

guns will never be gone. government will take them away...all the law abiding citizens will give up their guns...bad guys will still have guns...

Well, I have to explain it in terms that all these people living in a fantasy world will understand.

I bet they believe that there is a real Easter Bunny that brings chocolate to all boys and girls too.

Of course guns will never be gone. Only to people that abide by the law.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by 2001ragtop

What you said is like me saying you have zero comprehension of what 99% of NON-gun owners.

We all define what is "normal" differently, and this includes guns, marriage, religious things, etc, etc.

You can pretend that you are in charge of deciding what percentage that I need to understand of your definition of what is "normal" about gun owners, or standard information about gun owners.

But this is also like a true alcoholic trying to explain to everyone why he drinks so much alcohol every day, and then getting upset when he meets someone who does not drink alcohol at all.

Both people have different definitions of what they think is "ok". And luckily we live in a society where we all get to define what is going to be "ok" in their own personal life.

If every single person has a different definition of "normal", then this is going to apply with how they feel about their gun (or car, or family, etc.)

I already made my points and they weren't censored or modified as if I was running for public office. What you do with your gun is your business.

I already said I do not care. I am not required to care, unless your gun goes off in a church and kills someone by accident. If you do accidentally kill someone with your gun at church, I can decide for myself who I am going to feel sorry for.

Oh wait, you should not read what I just said, because one single person said it is called "trolling" to speak your honest opinion online about something. "Motorhead" is not a troll for saying what he thinks though. He is somehow exempt because his opinion carries a higher value than mine. I forgot to first screen my thoughts with him to make sure he approves of what I want to say.....Yet someone else who has decided to change the definition of the word "Troll", to make it work to his advantage.....what else is he going to "change" to make it sound like what I say has no relevance, even though I can easily back up why I think something.

I repeat: I respect your right to have a gun.

The point is that it's a completely silly statement that gets people with no rational thinking ability to classify gun owners as such. The fact that you made that statement at all suggests that you either don't own a gun, or know very many (if any) people that do. And I didn't say you were trolling.

"Some" is a ridiculous statement. 3 out of 100 million is "some". If the statement was "some criminals are looking for an excuse...", then I might tend to agree.

You also have to understand that every single gun owner here is on the defensive because we're being cast by the media and the politicians as irrational cold-hearted unfeeling psychopaths who don't care about anything other than our guns. Our guns are given evil labels. Things that are standard become "high capacity". A modern rifle is an "assault weapon" or "weapon of war". All of us are a bunch of tinfoil hat wearing, government mistrusting (I'll take that one tbh), conspiring radicals eager for the time to overthrow our government. And forget trying to point out actual statistics, or reasonable comparisons to something that belongs to everyone as a civil right (not a privilege). Any true comparable argument sounds absolutely silly when taken in the same context.

For example: Maybe we should ban mean language because it would help prevent bullying. Sure, it infringes on your 1st Amendment, but if it saves even one life... isn't that a sacrifice we should make? So from now on, if you wish to use your bad language, you will have to get a permit to use it. There will only be certain places you can use it. Some words are outlawed entirely, and if you choose to use them anyway, you could be subject to prosecution and become a felon.

See how ridiculous that sounds? But is it not reality? Isn't bullying one of the top social problems in this society, and doesn't a lot of it have to do with mean words/teasing? Do some of those kids kill themselves? Some of them grow up to be psychopaths?

Anyway... sorry about the rant. It's not that I don't respect your right to have an opinion, but again, we're very sensitive right now. I believe you opinion is misguided. I believe, even with the disclaimer of "some", that it is an over-generalization when reality is that "very few" is proper.