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[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by stt816

there is a difference between opinions and science
While i do respect opinions on different ways of training, I do not respect people putting out false information about nutrition out there...my post might of sounded a little harsh but i am very passionate about this, as it is my job, and my life

I also find it comical that you apply science to diet but not training.

F=M x A
W=F x D

For strength training, science has a major role.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by stt816

lolololol how do you expect to "transform your body" without diet being in tact.

I don't. But to give diet 80% of the weight of the equation and lifting only 20% is a falsehood...

[stt816]

Originally Posted by CFD View Post
...but if you are trying to tell me that eating pizza, in the appropriate calorie range will have the same affects as eating healthy non processed foods in the appropriate calorie range , will have the same effects on health, fat loss and muscle gain then I STRONGLY disagree.

if you ate all your minimums then yes if we are strictly talking weight loss/muscle building go have dat der pizza yummmmmm...oh wait we never talked about the Disadvantage of eating clean all the time

constant binges because you are being DEPRIVED

so you eat clean 5 days a week, cool you must be losing weight so quickly good for you!!!
oh heres the weekend, your out with friends oh man those fries look delicious I haven't had them in sooooo long, let me gobble them up yum....oh man those nachos too yummmmm, oh those wings too yummmmm....

what happened? you fell off your diet, if you incorporated the foods you love in moderation into your caloric allowance you'd be so much less likely to binge

Also lets talk about how you can binge drink every single weekend and still lose weight
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[CFD]

Originally Posted by stt816

Originally Posted by CFD View Post
...but if you are trying to tell me that eating pizza, in the appropriate calorie range will have the same affects as eating healthy non processed foods in the appropriate calorie range , will have the same effects on health, fat loss and muscle gain then I STRONGLY disagree.

if you ate all your minimums then yes if we are strictly talking weight loss/muscle building go have dat der pizza yummmmmm

This is absolutely ridiculous. We are not talking strictly weight loss and muscle building, we are talking about general health and well being as well.Most people on fat loss diets have a hard time getting a handle on proper nutrition, chances are the pizza you are referring to, is what got them here. The effects various types of carbs has on the body is SCIENCE, so by suggesting eating them to someone fitting this battle, as long as it meets your calorie intake, IMHO is just wrong.

Now, if you suggest they take the time to make a "healthy pizza" as an alternative to your typical fast food pizza and to fit that in to your meal plan then I'm all for it. I am always posting recipes as alternatives to unhealthy choices

[stt816]

of course low calorie pizza would be better, but isn't it the same people that can't control themselves. So if you have them on a strict meal plan, wouldn't they be more likely to binge when they go out? Your general health will be fine if you go with the 80/20 rule....think about it 80% of the time you are eating "healthy" I can bet that this ratio is better then what most are doing currently....aka ones who try so hard to eat clean during the week then binge are at the disadvantage....


what is bad about pizza? Bread? no Cheese? no Tomato sauce? no

if you look at it pizza is an all natural food

gotta think outside the box...i also wanted to add is that people think i am advocating eating crap all the time...I AM NOT! That is NOT what IIFYM is.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by stt816

what is bad about pizza? Bread? no Cheese? no Tomato sauce? no

if you look at it pizza is an all natural food

He said nothing was bad about pizza:

Originally Posted by CFD

Now, if you suggest they take the time to make a "healthy pizza" as an alternative to your typical fast food pizza and to fit that in to your meal plan then I'm all for it. I am always posting recipes as alternatives to unhealthy choices

[CFD]

Originally Posted by stt816

of course low calorie pizza would be better, but isn't it the same people that can't control themselves. So if you have them on a strict meal plan, wouldn't they be more likely to binge when they go out? Your general health will be fine if you go with the 80/20 rule, what is bad about pizza? Bread? no Cheese? no Tomato sauce? no

if you look at it pizza is an all natural food

gotta think outside the box

What the F$%CK is all natural, don't get me started on food labeling. If you mean all natural by my standards, I don't see how your traditional pizza with processed doe, processed cheese, tomato sauces with added ingredients often including sugars and unhealthy fats could be considered "all natural" Now if you're going by food labelers anything can be listed as all natural.



I am not sure why I must explain this to someone in the field.

Not if it's a properly constructed meal plan, you are eating the proper ratios of proteins, carbs and fats. This is where the 5-6 small meal come in as well. We all know that 3 800 cal meals is 2400 cals and that 6 400 cal meals is 2400 cals, so at the end of the day we're back to cals in vs. cals out. we all know that it takes about 2.5-3hrs to digest a meal in that cal range but what happens the 3 higher cal meals, especially with higher gi foods, is that there is more of an insulin spike, by the time the second feeding comes along you will most likely be hungry, with that hunger comes cravings as well as a good chance of overeating and poor food choices as a result. ( I haven't forgotten you feel there are no poor food choices IIFYM) Now by eating the smaller meals by the time you've digested the previous meal it's time to re-feed. This helps keep insulin levels more steady, helps in decreasing cravings and binge eating. If you have been following the plan for a short while and eating good quality foods your body adjusts and the physical cravings are reduced drastically. Now by creating meals that are similar in texture and taste you satisfy the mental aspect of it. There are also well planned cheat days, re-feedings, over feedings etc, depending on where you are. By having these days defined it makes it much easier to follow a well constructed diet and have a treat now and then. This is how many of us who eat healthy and have for years succeed. By cutting someone loose and saying yes, go for that pizza if you feel like it will backfire in a heart beat.

[stt816]

lololololol@ cheat days....

let me consume 8k calories, but its ok because i ate clean this whole week, no. why do you need those, are you feeling deprived?

There is such thing as refeed days when you are in a deficit, but that is carefully planned going to maintanance calories VERY LOW fat (just from trace protein/carb fats)/1g protein per pound/Lots of carbs...this is to increase leptin levels. Also most overweight people would not need this this is for lower bf %

Can't believe you're still talking about meal timing

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[Monchy36]

Let's play nice guys! Take advantage of the information, we don't need to go overboard... keep it professional we all adults here!

[CFD]

Originally Posted by stt816

lololololol@ cheat days....

let me consume 8k calories, but its ok because i ate clean this whole week, no. why do you need those, are you feeling deprived?

There is such thing as refeed days when you are in a deficit, but that is carefully planned going to maintanance calories VERY LOW fat (just from trace protein/carb fats)/1g protein per pound/Lots of carbs...this is to increase leptin levels. Also most overweight people would not need this this is for lower bf %

Can't believe you're still talking about meal timing

Re-feed, cheat, over feed all pretty much serve the same purpose on various levels.

Meal timing has some advantages so, it's SCIENCE, so yes, I am and will always still talk about it.

[stt816]

no reefed and cheat are EXTREMELY different...one provides benefits one does not

[Yendor]

CFD, I see where you're coming from. I still don't think people know what they are putting in their body regardless of how they are trying. For example, if you eat peanut butter, do you measure it? How do you know what ratio of those proteins and fats got into your body. Until someone is tracking what they eat they can say they are eating whatever ratio of this to that they want, its all anecdotal. Get a food scale and use all your measuring equipment (we have 3 sets of measuring spoons and cups because they are in constant use).

I weigh and measure everything I eat except on my "cheat day" which is every Saturday. Yes, I have a set cheat day when I can drink a few beers and maybe eat a wing or 2. It kills my need for the junk the rest of the week. There is a lot written on the benefits of planned cheat meals and days.

[stt816]

Originally Posted by Yendor

CFD, I see where you're coming from. I still don't think people know what they are putting in their body regardless of how they are trying. For example, if you eat peanut butter, do you measure it? How do you know what ratio of those proteins and fats got into your body. Until someone is tracking what they eat they can say they are eating whatever ratio of this to that they want, its all anecdotal. Get a food scale and use all your measuring equipment (we have 3 sets of measuring spoons and cups because they are in constant use). .

I agree I weigh/measure everything I put into my body.

Some may say it is extreme, but honestly you have no idea what you are consuming if you don't do this, tracking now a days is so easy literally takes 2 seconds on myfitnesspal with the app

[CFD]

Originally Posted by stt816

no reefed and cheat are EXTREMELY different...one provides benefits one does not

Again I disagree, now if your following along the lines of your thinking from what I take a cheat day would be eat anything you want because that seems to be your thinking on regular days. Cheat days, or re-feed days are not a free for all but do allow for some leniency but both are for the same reasons, people call them cheat days because it makes them feel better. lol.