Ideas please...

[Texas2SS]

Anyone else notice how off topic this thread got, or how all the threads get once someone mentions being a tennager with a Camaro?

OP, get yourself a Ranger, S10, Explorer, Blazer. Something in that area that will serve you well.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by Berean

Yes, it does make them irresponsible.

I see why you resort to ad hominem attacks. You need to learn how to present arguments without logical fallacies.

To illustrate your logical fallacy, we can use this example:

Since my father smoked 2 packs a day for 50 years and didn't get lung cancer, who are you to say that smoking is irresponsible even though many people have died from lung cancer caused by smoking? And to claim smoking is irresponsible must mean that you hate smokers or are jealous of them for having the extra money to buy cigarettes.

Whether someone wants to smoke or not, or should be allowed to smoke, are entirely different issues from whether or not smoking is irresponsible.

As you can see, your logic doesn't hold up to scrutiny and fails to address the argument of irresponsibility. Whether or not parents want to buy their kid a high powered "status" car, or whether or not they should be allowed to do so, are entirely different issues from the question of whether or not it is irresponsible to do so.

Again, you are embarrassing yourself with your lack of rhetorical skills.

Save your thesaurus based arguments for someone that might buy it. Fact of the matter it that you have no idea the experience or maturity level that this kid has and truthfully it's none of your business. He came on to an online community united through the car that he owns and asked a simple question. Instead of getting a rational answer he gets slammed by you idiots and his mom is called irresponsible because middle aged men are jealous of him and his vehicle. Grow up.

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Let me guess, you never drove more then the speed limit, you always used your blinker when changing lanes or turning, and you always came to a complete stop at every stop sign. Right. I believe you

Hell no, I drove it like I drive my Camaro. When I'm in traffic and residential areas I drive it like any other car. Just because a car has high HP it doesn't have to be driven at that limit all the time. When the time was right I let it loose. I have driven some sort of motorized vehicle since I was 4 years old. I think even at 17 I could handle a vehicle better than the people that post of pics of their car wrapped around a tree.

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

I was driving a ~600rwhp '70 Cuda with a 440 six pack before I turned 16....

You should have been put in a foster home. How many families and kittens did you kill?

[CamaroSkooter]

You're right. Not all 16-year-olds are immature drivers. And not all adults are mature drivers. Only a case-by-case assessment can truly indicate the maturity level of any one individual.

That being said, the overwhelming statistics show that driving experience has a direct correlation with how well a person reacts to any given driving situation, regardless of "maturity." I imagine as the power of a vehicle increases, the sharper that correlation becomes.

Most minors have not been driving vehicles since they were 4 years old. So, you're right that we don't know how capable the OP is behind the wheel of a 400hp vehicle. But at the same time, neither do you. You're whole-heartedly sticking your neck out for someone you know just as little about as the rest of us.

I'm not going to say whether a parent is irresponsible or not because they gave their child a powerful vehicle. A parent should know the responsibility level of their child before they give them anything. I sincerely hope that the OP's parents adhered to this simple truth before handing him the keys to an SS and said, "have fun." I have no evidence to indicate otherwise.

So, rather than argue about whether it is responsible, intelligent, smart, stupid, etc. to give a 16-year-old an SS, I will tell the OP this:

If you're going to get an every day beater, take into consideration the climates you'll be dealing with. I don't know how much ice and snow Pilot Point, TX gets on average per year, but if it's significant enough, I would suggest a vehicle with 4WD that has a fairly even weight distribution front to back. Trucks typically are a little more squirrely on ice and snow simply because they don't have that much weight over the rear axle. An SUV with 4WD would be a great choice, but your budget may limit your options. I love my '95 S-10 Blazer for inclement weather conditions. Plus, if anything should happen (like getting in a fender bender) I'm not really THAT broken up over it.

And last but not least, you better show your parents how appreciative you are for giving you not one, but TWO vehicles. Not many 16-year-olds are that fortunate. And, typically, the ones that are usually don't recognize how great they've got it.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

You should have been put in a foster home. How many families and kittens did you kill?

are you serious?

I'm sorry its taken you all your life to finally get a car with more than 400hp.

Its a shame you feel so much resentment towards people who grew up with different things than you...

Never killed anyone (kittens included) in the Cuda or any of the other 16 cars I've owned over the past decade or so.

My father and I built the car from the ground up. I grew up racing, everything from bikes, atvs, cars, trucks, go carts, boats, rc cars, lawnmowers, etc.

I've been driving some sort of powered vehicle since I was 5. But you want to tell me that my parents should have given me up for adoption? You really have to be smoking something strong.


I can drive most anything with wheels and some things without, never killed anyone, never been in an accident that was my fault, but you in all of your infinite wisdom think that I should never have gotten the opportunity as a youth to drive the car that had my own blood, sweat, and tears in?

Get over yourself.

[Berean]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

are you serious?

He was blasting away with his shotgun. I think you accidentally got caught in the crossfire.

[dmginc]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

are you serious?

I'm sorry its taken you all your life to finally get a car with more than 400hp.

Its a shame you feel so much resentment towards people who grew up with different things than you...

Never killed anyone (kittens included) in the Cuda or any of the other 16 cars I've owned over the past decade or so.

My father and I built the car from the ground up. I grew up racing, everything from bikes, atvs, cars, trucks, go carts, boats, rc cars, lawnmowers, etc.

I've been driving some sort of powered vehicle since I was 5. But you want to tell me that my parents should have given me up for adoption? You really have to be smoking something strong.


I can drive most anything with wheels and some things without, never killed anyone, never been in an accident that was my fault, but you in all of your infinite wisdom think that I should never have gotten the opportunity as a youth to drive the car that had my own blood, sweat, and tears in?

Get over yourself.

[coolman]

It's a real shame that every time a young person starts a thread on here that it turns into a flogging of why he isn't worthy of owning a nice car. He didn't ask your opinions of nothing more than what kind of car he should get for a beater and that is where the topic should of stayed. I feel bad for all the poor whiners that are jealous of a young person for having a nice car just because they didn't have the chance to have one when they were young. There isn't one of you that wouldn't have taken a nice car if you had the chance. So, get off your high horses and help the boy out with what he really wants to know.

I say go for a Jeep if you don't really need a bed to haul anything. Colorado's are pretty much just a toy.

Buy the way, I had several hi powered cars through out my high school and college years and I'm still here to tell about and I'm not spoiled just very grateful.

[ShnOmac]

IBTL

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Berean

He was blasting away with his shotgun. I think you accidentally got caught in the crossfire.

I could give care less about what he thought he was doing.
Its beyond uncalled for.

granted, in my situation growing up, I built the cars I drove. Parents cosigned on a loan for one, but I paid everything for it. even paid them insurance when I was still living in the house.

but it doesnt matter. its honestly rediculous that a fellow camaro enthusiast cant come in and ask an innocent question without 20 people giving him shit because his parents are helping him along in life.

as for the 24k miles by a 16 year old... what the hell does age matter when it comes to mileage?

if anything that should be a testament to how much he gets out in his car and is getting experience driving.


would you guys rather he not drive the car and never get any experience?

[CamaroSkooter]

Spike, I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

As in, you had a bad ass car at a young age, so according to some people's theories, you must've wreaked havoc on the streets...

All of his previous posts were attempting to defend young kids with bad ass cars

[McBeevee]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Spike, I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

As in, you had a bad ass car at a young age, so according to some people's theories, you must've wreaked havoc on the streets...

All of his previous posts were attempting to defend young kids with bad ass cars

That's exactly how I took it

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

are you serious?

I'm sorry its taken you all your life to finally get a car with more than 400hp.

Its a shame you feel so much resentment towards people who grew up with different things than you...

Never killed anyone (kittens included) in the Cuda or any of the other 16 cars I've owned over the past decade or so.

My father and I built the car from the ground up. I grew up racing, everything from bikes, atvs, cars, trucks, go carts, boats, rc cars, lawnmowers, etc.

I've been driving some sort of powered vehicle since I was 5. But you want to tell me that my parents should have given me up for adoption? You really have to be smoking something strong.


I can drive most anything with wheels and some things without, never killed anyone, never been in an accident that was my fault, but you in all of your infinite wisdom think that I should never have gotten the opportunity as a youth to drive the car that had my own blood, sweat, and tears in?

Get over yourself.

Do you read the threads you moderate??

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Spike, I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

As in, you had a bad ass car at a young age, so according to some people's theories, you must've wreaked havoc on the streets...

All of his previous posts were attempting to defend young kids with bad ass cars

sarcasm is not as easily read as it is spoken.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Do you read the threads you moderate??

I apologize if you were being sarcastic. but after getting plenty of reported posts from this thread, then seeing your comment to me... it didnt look like you were being sarcastic.

[Huggerorange73]

Can't we hug it out?