5.0L Coyote engine being test in Mustang Mule - Page 3

Bocephus · 01-26-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

It will be interesting to see what comes of all this… I was under the impression that the 2011 mustang was going to be an all new design; body style and drive train??? That said, it will be interesting to see how the weight is kept down. I’m with Dragoneye, I see the new 2011 mustang close in weight to the Camaro if not slightly lighter (I know I know, let the fan-boys start with the rock throwing…) What I am really interested in is seeing what the new body style is going to look like after the last retro theme (wich I liked by the way)

. Might give us an idea on what we have in-store for the next gen Camaro.

The redesign won't come until 2014 at the earliest. The Mustang would have to gain 300-400lbs to match the weight of the Camaro. Everyone here was saying that the 2010 Mustang was going to add a bunch of weight but that didn't happen. Ford stuck with the solid axle rear to keep weight and cost down at the expense of ride quality. I don't see the weight going up drastically for the Mustang until the redesign. And who knows, Ford may stick with the solid axle for the redesign also. Just like Chevy sticking with pushrod engines when everyone else is going OHC.

Grape Ape · 01-26-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nester7929

I want to say the 2010 already has those.

Cars.com says the 2010 still lacks side curtain air bags.

I think that stability control is a non-issue weight wise. What are we looking at? A light on the dash, steering angle sensor, maybe a bigger ECM and hopefully a switch. I'd call that five pounds at the outside.

Regarding the crash standards, if Ford failed to design the 2010 to meet 2012 standards then need to they fire everyone who worked on the design. Its possible that the glass roof was only meant to meet current standards and will not be offered in 2012, but I bet Ford plans to keep it if it sells and designed it for 2012 standards.

383ss · 01-26-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape

Cars.com says the 2010 still lacks side curtain air bags.

I think that stability control is a non-issue weight wise. What are we looking at? A light on the dash, steering angle sensor, maybe a bigger ECM and hopefully a switch. I'd call that five pounds at the outside.

Regarding the crash standards, if Ford failed to design the 2010 to meet 2012 standards then need to they fire everyone who worked on the design. Its possible that the glass roof was only meant to meet current standards and will not be offered in 2012, but I bet Ford plans to keep it if it sells and designed it for 2012 standards.

side curtain air bags would probably add 50lbs total.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-26-2009, 08:38 PM

Personally...and I don't follow the Mustang at all....but based on what I've learned with the Camaro...and looking at the Ford.

I don't think the majority of added weight will come from trying to meet standards, etc. They might...I don't know - I didn't design the thing. BUT....

...If they put this 5.0L engine in there, then it's going to be upwards of 400hp....and they're going to have to beef up the rest of the drivetrain to go along with it. They're also likely to stiffen the chassis to avoid flex, that's a LOT of power, and significantly more than the car is dealing with right now. If they're smart, they'll also add bigger brakes to help control all that power/speed. All of that's 100 pounds right there, easy.

GatorBlue371 · 01-26-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Personally...and I don't follow the Mustang at all....but based on what I've learned with the Camaro...and looking at the Ford.

I don't think the majority of added weight will come from trying to meet standards, etc. They might...I don't know - I didn't design the thing. BUT....

...If they put this 5.0L engine in there, then it's going to be upwards of 400hp....and they're going to have to beef up the rest of the drivetrain to go along with it. They're also likely to stiffen the chassis to avoid flex, that's a LOT of power, and significantly more than the car is dealing with right now. If they're smart, they'll also add bigger brakes to help control all that power/speed. All of that's 100 pounds right there, easy.

100lbs + updated safety equpiment, And btw, that Dual Clutch Adds Weight like you wouldnt belive, the M3's is about 80lbs if i remember correctly.

After its all said and done i think it will put on around 200lbs+-, which would give it about a 50lb weight advantage over the Camaro.

Nothing that cant be made up by the gut of the driver.

Kyle2k · 01-26-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

100lbs + updated safety equpiment, And btw, that Dual Clutch Adds Weight like you wouldnt belive, the M3's is about 80lbs if i remember correctly.

After its all said and done i think it will put on around 200lbs+-, which would give it about a 50lb weight advantage over the Camaro.

Nothing that cant be made up by the gut of the driver.

No way in hell the mustang will get a DCT before 2014

Muscle Master · 01-26-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

No way in hell the mustang will get a DCT before 2014

why not.... I see it happening, bet it's going in the Tarus SHO as well

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-26-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

And btw, that Dual Clutch Adds Weight like you wouldnt belive, the M3's is about 80lbs if i remember correctly.

80 pounds for the tranny itself?? That's nothin'!

Ford's little press release said the Getrag they were gonna use saved them like...10 pounds over a conventional 4-speed auto...

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Originally Posted by Muscle Master

why not.... I see it happening, bet it's going in the Tarus SHO as well

I thought it wasn't tough enough to handle big power like that...

nester7929 · 01-26-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

No way in hell the mustang will get a DCT before 2014

Try 2010:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090121....for-us-in-2010

GatorBlue371 · 01-26-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

80 pounds for the tranny itself?? That's nothin'!

Ford's little press release said the Getrag they were gonna use saved them like...10 pounds over a conventional 4-speed auto...

I thought it wasn't tough enough to handle big power like that...

Ha yea well all i can tell you is that the DCT in EVERY CAR THAT HAS ONE is a compromise of Weight for faster shift speed.

Bocephus · 01-27-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by nester7929

Try 2010:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090121....for-us-in-2010

If you read that article it states that it's for small cars only, like the Focus. The 2010 Stang will still have 5 speeds. 6 speeds are coming for 2011 for the new powerplants, 5.0 and 3.5. I haven't heard if they will use DCT though.

nester7929 · 01-27-2009, 12:59 AM

Ah, my bad, I didn't notice he said just the Mustang wouldn't get it by 2014. I still think it will though.

Kyle2k · 01-27-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nester7929

Ah, my bad, I didn't notice he said just the Mustang wouldn't get it by 2014. I still think it will though.

I shouldn't need a warning that people need to read on a forum.

nester7929 · 01-27-2009, 02:46 AM

Ah, I just skim, give me a break here.

01-26-2009, 08:38 PM	#32
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Personally...and I don't follow the Mustang at all....but based on what I've learned with the Camaro...and looking at the Ford. I don't think the majority of added weight will come from trying to meet standards, etc. They might...I don't know - I didn't design the thing. BUT.... ...If they put this 5.0L engine in there, then it's going to be upwards of 400hp....and they're going to have to beef up the rest of the drivetrain to go along with it. They're also likely to stiffen the chassis to avoid flex, that's a LOT of power, and significantly more than the car is dealing with right now. If they're smart, they'll also add bigger brakes to help control all that power/speed. All of that's 100 pounds right there, easy. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

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nester7929 Rice Harvester Drives: 2014 Bright Yellow 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2008 Location: Plainview, TX Posts: 1,449	Ah, my bad, I didn't notice he said just the Mustang wouldn't get it by 2014. I still think it will though.

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