Godzilla Matches the ZR1 Ring time 7:20 for 2012

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by CombatVet0311

what relevant races do they race? that's a better question

I don't know put them up against cars in their price range and which ones beat it?

[CombatVet0311]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I don't know put them up against cars in their price range and which ones beat it?

I don't know, you tell me

my money is on the American

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by CombatVet0311

I don't know, you tell me

my money is on the American

Maybe the Viper ACR but that is even a big maybe.

Either way you are the one making the claim. And then showing you don't know shit about it.


Edit: after looking at ACR MSRP I wouldn't put the ACR in the same price range as the GTR.

[CombatVet0311]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Maybe the Viper ACR but that is even a big maybe.

Either way you are the one making the claim. And then showing you don't know shit about it.


Edit: after looking at ACR MSRP I wouldn't put the ACR in the same price range as the GTR.

you seem emotionally attached to the GTR

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by CombatVet0311

you seem emotionally attached to the GTR

Not in the least. Would never have one personally.

I can respect the performance that Nissan is getting out of the thing though. Unlike others in this thread.

I also don't like people making claims when they don't have the slightest clue what they are talking about.

[lil_chef]

There is simply not enough information coming from the article. which model was it? what options did they use?

i remember from the press release back when nissan got the "improved" 7'26 time around the 'ring they had a single line in the article that changed everything. The "stock" GTR that they brought had the tires from the JDM spec V. Nissan definitely likes to sugar coat their times. Porsche called them out once, and i expect them to do it again.

[CombatVet0311]

to sax,

I'm having a hard time figuring out what your mad at, I originally said that the GTR doesn't race relevant races or races like a comparable Corvette would race, for example le mans. GM chooses to compete on the highest level with a similar platform to what Nissan is offering while Nissan does not. GM has had success with their platform at said highest level, while Nissan is dealing with warranty claims and litigation.

All of the evidence forces me to believe that the GM product is superior. The GTR doesn't even show up to major events that the vette has won championships in but people would have you believe that the Nissan is "great" or "better" than what we make on our own soil.

Sorry, I don't believe the hype.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by CombatVet0311

I don't think GM is scared of the GTR, nobody buys them and they don't win relevant races

As far as I know they have NO problem selling the limited amount that they bring here. THis isn't a Corvette with 3 different angines and 2 different body styles that will build as many as you want.

As for relevant races, as a buyer of a car, who cares? I am certainly NOT buying a CHevy Impala because it races in Nascar.........

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by CombatVet0311

to sax,

I'm having a hard time figuring out what your mad at, I originally said that the GTR doesn't race relevant races or races like a comparable Corvette would race, for example le mans. GM chooses to compete on the highest level with a similar platform to what Nissan is offering while Nissan does not. GM has had success with their platform at said highest level, while Nissan is dealing with warranty claims and litigation.

All of the evidence forces me to believe that the GM product is superior. The GTR doesn't even show up to major events that the vette has won championships in but people would have you believe that the Nissan is "great" or "better" than what we make on our own soil.

Sorry, I don't believe the hype.

The corvette's racing in the le mans are not comparable at all to the corvette's you buy at the dealership.

That is like me talking about john force's mustang and how it has dominated at the dragstrip and asking what has the camaro done.

[LostInMoscow]

I just read a motortrend review on the 2012 GTR. It's got 40 more HP and a retuned suspension. They said that they thought it's track times were going to be much quicker. Apparently, they were correct.

Personally, I hate the GTR styling. It reminds me of an '80s car that evolved without ever having a full model replacement. It's just an ugly car to me. I'd love to drive one and see what all the fuss is about though! I can't imagine it being the same kind of experience as a ZR1. If you could just get all that power and torque in a ZR1 under complete control, you would be way ahead of the GTR. Chevy did a better job in the 2010 ZR1 than they did in '09. Maybe the '11 or '12 will be under better control? We'll see!

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by LostInMoscow

I just read a motortrend review on the 2012 GTR. It's got 40 more HP and a retuned suspension. They said that they thought it's track times were going to be much quicker. Apparently, they were correct.

Personally, I hate the GTR styling. It reminds me of an '80s car that evolved without ever having a full model replacement. It's just an ugly car to me. I'd love to drive one and see what all the fuss is about though! I can't imagine it being the same kind of experience as a ZR1. If you could just get all that power and torque in a ZR1 under complete control, you would be way ahead of the GTR. Chevy did a better job in the 2010 ZR1 than they did in '09. Maybe the '11 or '12 will be under better control? We'll see!

The GTR would come out of the hole like a raped ape where as the ZR1, in stock form, will pull on the top end like a raped ape.

[CombatVet0311]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

The corvette's racing in the le mans are not comparable at all to the corvette's you buy at the dealership.

That is like me talking about john force's mustang and how it has dominated at the dragstrip and asking what has the camaro done.

wrong, everyone knows that advancements in racing correspond to advancements in reliability, fuel efficiency, performance, etc... that manufacturers can and do carry over to their respective flagship cars

I commented earlier that maybe endurance racing will help Nissan build a more reliable performer, same concepts apply.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by CombatVet0311

wrong, everyone knows that advancements in racing correspond to advancements in reliability, fuel efficiency, performance, etc... that manufacturers can and do carry over to their respective flagship cars

I commented earlier that maybe endurance racing will help Nissan build a more reliable performer, same concepts apply.

Just because the GTR isn't raced does not mean Nissan has no racing programs.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

The corvette's racing in the le mans are not comparable at all to the corvette's you buy at the dealership.

That is like me talking about john force's mustang and how it has dominated at the dragstrip and asking what has the camaro done.

You are only half correct on your point. While John Force's car has NOTHING even REMOTELY production on it - Nothing simular beyond maybe the fact they both have 4 wheels...The Corvette C6-R is built off of a PRODUCTION PLATFORM - the same as the ZR1 it is based on. http://www.corvetteracing.com/

This is what people are talking about. The Nissan does not have this pedigree. Also, the Nissan makes bold claims of it's track prowess and ability to launch 0-60 in under 4 seconds. However, do so and you will void your warranty when it breaks. Further: Nissan uses GPS to track your car. It breaks on a racetrack...your warranty is VOID. So, go ahead and take your GT-R V-spec to the Nurburgring and Tie a ZR1's time. Just pray is doesn't break. GM will fix your ZR1 and Ford will fix your Mustang...however, Nissan will take your Yen and walk. Great performance car. For something that is meant to be a garage ornament brag piece, its not even sexy to look at. The Corvette, the Camaro, The Mustang, The Challenger...on a rainy day I could sit and sip a beer and at least look at them. The GT-R is just ugly from all angles.