Nissan 370z vs. Camaro SS vs BMW 135i

[JBsC6]

If I were sell my c6? there is no question it would be for the camaro with its honking V8..

Can't wait to hear about the handling and track times.

The new camaro rocks!

JB

[TaylorRyanSS]

Im on the fence with the 370. Something about the body is funky... the back especially. And I hate the "V" style head/tail lights. If I had to get one, I would get black to hide some of those weird angles. As for the 1 series... rather spend a little more $ and get a 3... the 1 is like the poor mans bimmer. CAMARO OWNS!

[fldrummer]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

Im on the fence with the 370. Something about the body is funky... the back especially. And I hate the "V" style head/tail lights. If I had to get one, I would get black to hide some of those weird angles. As for the 1 series... rather spend a little more $ and get a 3... the 1 is like the poor mans bimmer. CAMARO OWNS!

What you said is exactly how I feel. How funny!

[dieseldave24v]

The 370 is ok I guess it doesnt do ti for me, but I do see why people would like it. Just not for me. Look at what they are selling for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-...1%7C240%3A1318

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by Camaro82

According to your logic, U.S. should stop importing all foreign cars because like you said, No American should ever consider buying foreign cars right?

Just for fun, Lets think about your logic little bit deeper...

What if countries of Asia and Europe decided to implement your logic, and they decided to never buy foreign cars.

Asian cars only stay in Asia, American cars only stays in U.S., and Europe cars only stays in Europe.


Countless American cars, SUVs, and Trucks that are being exported to the world will be stopped because according to your logic, its wrong for a citizen of certain country to purchase foreign made cars!!

What do you think will happen to the world car industry? Do you think U.S. will benefit from your logic?

Like someone previously said, "Ignorance is a bliss"

I am not so sure calling someone ignorant for wanting to buy american products is very fair. There is a significant debate as to whether America is really better off with current economic and trade policies. The average standard of living is going down in this country, while the rest of the world is for the most part catching up. You have to wonder if we need them more (foreign companies) or they need us more. After all, foreign countries do buy a fair amount of products from the US, but as they find the benefits of producing these things at home, they increasingly do. Then that exported technology and revenue leaves to said country. I fail to see the long term benefit to this country. Would'nt it make more sense if the world's largest consumer was also the world's largest producer and kept that money at home? I guess you figure somebody other than you down the road will pay for all these mistakes, so I suppose ignorance really is bliss.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

I am not so sure calling someone ignorant for wanting to buy american products is very fair. There is a significant debate as to whether America is really better off with current economic and trade policies. The average standard of living is going down in this country, while the rest of the world is for the most part catching up. You have to wonder if we need them more (foreign companies) or they need us more. After all, foreign countries do buy a fair amount of products from the US, but as they find the benefits of producing these things at home, they increasingly do. Then that exported technology and revenue leaves to said country. I fail to see the long term benefit to this country. Would'nt it make more sense if the world's largest consumer was also the world's largest producer and kept that money at home? I guess you figure somebody other than you down the road will pay for all these mistakes, so I suppose ignorance really is bliss.

do you have any idea how Tariffs work?

The US Gov. applies Tariffs towards foreign products, increasing the price, so that when they are sold in the USA our gov/nation benefits from it.

For example.

say Z's cost 20k to make

the US gov. applies a 5k tariff, and Nissan applies 4k in profit margin

Every time a Z is sold in this country, 5k of that 29k goes straight to Uncle Sam.


I dont argue with buying American, but short of importing vehicles from another country every purchase helps this country.

[ArcAngel]

hey gatorblue the tariffs applied on American goods are much higher than what we lay on there goods so it doesnt work out my friend in the end they are beating us up.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

hey gatorblue the tariffs applied on American goods are much higher than what we lay on there goods so it doesnt work out my friend in the end they are beating us up.

no not really, my understanding is that the North American Market is one of the hottest in the world, people pay big bucks (tariffs) to play.

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

yea thats my bad


the 135i is definately a sleeper, and i agree it will suprise alot of people, AND ill say it might be the best COMBINATION of speed/handling in this 3 car comparison... however id give speed to Camaro, and Handling to 370.

What are the skidpad/slalom times for the 135i?

R&T for BMW 135= .91 skidpad, 70.6 slalom. (4.8 0-60)
R&T preproduction (not full roadtest) 370z = .97 skidpad, 71.4 slalom (5.1 0-60).

My poor little Cobalt only has .92 and 70.0 slalom.... Which is completely irrelevant....

[DntWrryBeHappy21]

i think if for some reason the camaro never came out or was cancelled id be wanting a 370 right now...its a good car but the camaro is just better =)

[littlecammi]

Originally Posted by littlecammi

The Nissan is a Japanese car - no American should ever consider buying one.
The BMW is a German car - no American should ever consider buying one.
The Camaro is made by an American car manufacturer. The only valid choice of the three.

Two posters have called me ignorant because of the post quoted above. I assure you that is not the case (as anyone who actually knows me could attest). I deliberately worded that particular post to be as blunt as possible, because previous posts in other threads have apparently gone unheeded, such as this earlier post of mine:

The mainstream car magazines have for decades been praising Japanese imports for their economy and reliability and European imports for their engineering and performance, while denigrating virtually every American car (other than 'vette and Viper). They justify this bashing with the lame claim that their criticisms make American automobile manufacturers improve their quality. Now they are starting to acknowledge good American products (such as the Chevy Malibu), but are continuing to compare them to the imports they have already crowned as best in class. It is now too late for the American carmakers to regain sales lost to Toyota, Honda, BMW, Mercedes and Audi. The car magazines have done too good a job convincing the American public that imports are good and American cars are bad. The sharp styling of the new Camaro may steal a few sales from entry level BMWs, but the only way American car manufacturers can truly regain lost sales is if the American car magazines would praise American vehicles while also heavily criticizing the imports. And this will never happen.

We need to tell every decent American: Do not buy a Camry or Accord - buy a Malibu instead. Do not buy a BMW 3-series coupe - buy a Camaro instead. Do not buy a Porsche Boxster - buy a Corvette instead (etcetera). I have never owned an import and I never will. I just read a review of the 414hp M3 convertible with an as-tested price of $77,970 and a curb weight without driver of 4145 pounds. The automotive press should stop praising BMWs and just state the obvious: all BMWs are overpriced and not one is worth the money. You should only buy American and not even consider any foreign car brands.

[MrIcky]

littlecami, I disagree on several points:

A car is worth as much as people are willing to pay for it. The M series moves well for BMW- particularly the M3 so they obviously have it priced right. I believe you are looking at the Camparo vs the 911. I believe you pulled out 3 favorite numbers and disregarded the rest of the article. It may not be worth that money TO YOU, but it clearly is worth it to someone else. So it's not "obvious". BMW's are out of my league, but there's no way that I can say they aren't world class cars.

As far as only considering American Cars. I agree that all things being equal, yes, you should buy an American Car (especially in the cars as commuting appliances category). However American Car's truly weren't competitive for an unfortunately long time. I have 3 American Car's parked in front of my house right now. If we ever have a return to the 80s and my choices are a Ford Grenada or a Camry- I'm sorry, the Camry wins. I won't buy inferior products for jingoism.

M Series, 911s, and Corvettes (several others of course) are "passion cars" for most people. For whatever reason, they've been dreaming about and saving and working hard for years, maybe even a lifetime. I'd never begrudge a person for buying a 911 if that's their dream car.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

littlecami, I disagree on several points:

A car is worth as much as people are willing to pay for it. The M series moves well for BMW- particularly the M3 so they obviously have it priced right. I believe you are looking at the Camparo vs the 911. I believe you pulled out 3 favorite numbers and disregarded the rest of the article. It may not be worth that money TO YOU, but it clearly is worth it to someone else. So it's not "obvious". BMW's are out of my league, but there's no way that I can say they aren't world class cars.

As far as only considering American Cars. I agree that all things being equal, yes, you should buy an American Car (especially in the cars as commuting appliances category). However American Car's truly weren't competitive for an unfortunately long time. I have 3 American Car's parked in front of my house right now. If we ever have a return to the 80s and my choices are a Ford Grenada or a Camry- I'm sorry, the Camry wins. I won't buy inferior products for jingoism.

M Series, 911s, and Corvettes (several others of course) are "passion cars" for most people. For whatever reason, they've been dreaming about and saving and working hard for years, maybe even a lifetime. I'd never begrudge a person for buying a 911 if that's their dream car.

True they may be selling like hotcakes at the asking price or more, but you have to stop and think that the willingness for people to pay a lot of money for an overpriced car may in fact be do to the fact that they have been brainwashed into thinking the car is actually WORTH what they are paying.

If people had a more realistic view of how the M3 may compare to other cars like the SS, etc. then maybe they would be less inclined to pay so much for them. If they continue to think that everything from detroit is JUNK and that everything from BMW is PERFECT, then it seems logical they would pay 2x as much for a BMW. If the secret that BMW is slightly better in some areas and slightly worse in others gets out then maybe the price people are willing to pay for one will be less.

Heck, it might even get BMW to lower their prices to more reasonable levels then this would HELP people be able to afford one and have more choices.

[littlecammi]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

I agree that all things being equal you should buy an American Car.
But I'd never begrudge a person for buying a Porsche or BMW if that's their dream car.

The problem is that all things have not been equal for years, since the car magazines have done too good a job of convincing the American public that imports are good and American cars are bad. And that poisoning by the press is part of the reason that a Porsche or BMW is someone's dream car instead of an American car (like a Z06 or GT500).