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[MikesZ]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

All those performance boosts are great but do you think we will get to the point where manufacturers will have to focus strictly on fuel economy and thereby leave the modding up to the customer.

Like maybe having a 2.8 turbo motor getting really good MPGs but making a host of aftermarket parts available thru the dealership exclusively just to meet MPG standards. Seems like the government is hell bent on making big horsepower cars go away and sooner or later the manufacturers will be held hostage by it.

Reportedly GM is planning its future product line based on $4.00 per gallon fuel prices, which is in line with what energy analysts project. I think fuel costs and consumer behavior will have more impact on products than big government. A 2.8L Turbo in a smaller/lighter coupe would provide a good balance of power and fuel economy. It will be key for GM to get the weight of the vehicles down.

[MikesZ]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I think the stock turbo psi is about 8psi... I have heard of guys boosting the turbo up to 15... that would easily yield about 50HP over stock.. putting the 9-3X ate about 330HP without any other mods. My thought really is that GM should DIRECT-INJECT the 2.8L which would boost it's stock HP from 300 (in SRX) about 15%.. putting it at an easily acquired 345HP.. with some extra boost... maybe just to 12psi... we could see 350-355HP. Doing the same to the 3.0L would put U in the 380-400 range eclipsing the Lincoln MXK Elephant's 365HP from it's 3.5L Turbo

I was thinking 340hp should be possible from the 2.8L Turbo, which could serve as the base motor in an Alpha coupe. A larger twin turbo could be used in the next Chevy coupe (future Camaro?) which will develop off of the same platform as the ATS.

[Revo1]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

not to kill the mood, but thanks to porsche the CTS-v is no longer the fastest production V8 in the world. it is simply the best bang for the buck considering it is half the price of the twin turbo panamera.

i would be interested to see how a manual CTS-V does around the ring though. to see if it can improve cadillac's time by 3 seconds to tie porsche.

Sure, but that thing's ugly.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Seems like the government is hell bent on making big horsepower cars go away and sooner or later the manufacturers will be held hostage by it.

I just haven't seen this yet.... Seems like the manufacturers are putting out even more power than they did 1-5 years ago but with more fuel efficiency. The only thing I have seen contrary to that was GM pulling the plug on the NORTHSTAR... but not really.. since the NS was lacking in power compared to every one of GM's OHV engines and very close to the HF V6s. Truth is that the 3.6L V6 for instance.. as in the Camaro and CTS... is fully capable of achieving 350HP with a couple bolt ons that will cost U around a $1K

From a 2008 CTS 3.6L

Check this one out... D3 Concepts took a CTS 3.6L Di (always remember that a average loss in HP is 15% from Flywheel to Rear Wheels... hence a 304HP engine divided by 1.15= 264HP)

Baseline run: vehicle produced 263.0 rwhp and 241.7 lbs/tq.
Adding the new Corsa Exhaust power jumped to 281.1 rwhp and 255.3 lbs/tq. for an increase of 18.1 rwhp and 13.6 lbs/tq


Added their intake system and power jumped to 294.2 rwhp and 261.3 lbs/tq for an increase of 13.1 rwhp and 6.0 lbs/tq. Total gain in power was 31.2 rwhp and 19.6 lbs/tq. from just an intake and exhaust.





MEANING: That they took a 304HP (at the Fly) 3.6LDi and boosted it to 340HP with the Exhaust and Intake MOD.....

using the same formula..

with JUST THE INTAKE and no exhaust mod.. the 304HP 3.6L would be boosted to 320HP (Northstar) anyone???

NOTE:

Once again remember that the CTS's 3.6LDI is based off the 263HP Version in the base car... and not on the 275HP 3.6L in the 2008 Lambdas... Direct Injection normally boosts an engine by 15-17%... Meaning that Cadillac could achieve the same thing by Direct Injecting the 275HP 3.6L instead of the 263HP version

If GM were to DI the 275HP 3.6L instead they would yield about 321HP... then add this intake/exhaust combo would yield them about 35HP... making the 3.6L V6 worth about 355HP...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I just haven't seen this yet.... Seems like the manufacturers are putting out even more power than they did 1-5 years ago but with more fuel efficiency.

+1,
If you really think about it...this is the 70s-80s over again, with a twist...we aren't losing power. Then, carbs gave way to fuel injection with a minor power drop...today, port injection gives way to Direct Injection, and displacement reduction.....with a minor power GAIN. It's truly remarkable.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

If GM were to DI the 275HP 3.6L instead they would yield about 321HP... then add this intake/exhaust combo would yield them about 35HP... making the 3.6L V6 worth about 355HP...

Ecoboost, that.

[MikesZ]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I just haven't seen this yet.... Seems like the manufacturers are putting out even more power than they did 1-5 years ago but with more fuel efficiency. The only thing I have seen contrary to that was GM pulling the plug on the NORTHSTAR... but not really.. since the NS was lacking in power compared to every one of GM's OHV engines and very close to the HF V6s. Truth is that the 3.6L V6 for instance.. as in the Camaro and CTS... is fully capable of achieving 350HP with a couple bolt ons that will cost U around a $1K

From a 2008 CTS 3.6L

Check this one out... D3 Concepts took a CTS 3.6L Di (always remember that a average loss in HP is 15% from Flywheel to Rear Wheels... hence a 304HP engine divided by 1.15= 264HP)

Baseline run: vehicle produced 263.0 rwhp and 241.7 lbs/tq.
Adding the new Corsa Exhaust power jumped to 281.1 rwhp and 255.3 lbs/tq. for an increase of 18.1 rwhp and 13.6 lbs/tq


Added their intake system and power jumped to 294.2 rwhp and 261.3 lbs/tq for an increase of 13.1 rwhp and 6.0 lbs/tq. Total gain in power was 31.2 rwhp and 19.6 lbs/tq. from just an intake and exhaust.





MEANING: That they took a 304HP (at the Fly) 3.6LDi and boosted it to 340HP with the Exhaust and Intake MOD.....

using the same formula..

with JUST THE INTAKE and no exhaust mod.. the 304HP 3.6L would be boosted to 320HP (Northstar) anyone???

NOTE:

Once again remember that the CTS's 3.6LDI is based off the 263HP Version in the base car... and not on the 275HP 3.6L in the 2008 Lambdas... Direct Injection normally boosts an engine by 15-17%... Meaning that Cadillac could achieve the same thing by Direct Injecting the 275HP 3.6L instead of the 263HP version

If GM were to DI the 275HP 3.6L instead they would yield about 321HP... then add this intake/exhaust combo would yield them about 35HP... making the 3.6L V6 worth about 355HP...

This is really remarkable stuff...to be able to get more power with smaller, more efficient plants. C'mon GM, bring on those Alpha coupes!

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

+1,
If you really think about it...this is the 70s-80s over again, with a twist...we aren't losing power. Then, carbs gave way to fuel injection with a minor power drop...today, port injection gives way to Direct Injection, and displacement reduction.....with a minor power GAIN. It's truly remarkable.

Exactly... But this is the beauty of technology in this day and age. We are now in a unique position to see technology increase advancements at an exponential rate. It's like perpetual motion... the more that technology "spins..." the faster is goes, constantly and consistently growing faster.

Hence the reason why I got into IT... Every day there's an upgrade coming

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by MikesZ

This is really remarkable stuff...to be able to get more power with smaller, more efficient plants. C'mon GM, bring on those Alpha coupes!

They're coming. Be ready.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Hence the reason why I got into IT... Every day there's an upgrade coming

Hey, don't need to tell me twice...it's even more fun to teach it!

[RoyalKev]

My boss just got a new cts-v for below 60,000 fully loaded white with the manual trans, this thing is pure sex haha it sounds so nice stock to and it just screams class because it looks like a $150,000 car.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by RoyalKev

My boss just got a new cts-v for below 60,000 fully loaded white with the manual trans, this thing is pure sex haha it sounds so nice stock to and it just screams class because it looks like a $150,000 car.

Yup... if someone told me before I bought... that the V cost upwards of $100K+ I wouldn't have doubted it.

Give this car AWD and the STS's Tuscanny leather.. and I could certainly see a car that could command that price tag.

Hell... look at this monstrosity and tell me WHY I would spend over $70K for it???

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Hell... look at this monstrosity and tell me WHY I would spend over $70K for it???

Because beauty is in the eye of the beholder (certainly not my eyes...), and it has this on the hood:



The "Corvette Tax" is pennies compared to the price this badge commands.
It could be literally a pile of poo, on a platter that looked like this, and you would still have to pay $10,000 for it.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

What is it about Americans that we have such a whole-hearted self-hate for ourselves that we readily boost up on our shoulders all things from our two most lethal enemies from the past?:(

What ALWAYS kicks me in the gut is when I see Jewish people buying German cars.. particularly ones from VW/AUDI/Porsche... which is directly connected to Hitler himself.:(

[Tactical Z]

Actually, I find the ISF quite nice, but if I were to choose one, it would be the CTS-V, because it's like the god of all sedans.