2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[gen6waiter]

If the Hellcat was a better track car and the ZL1/Z28 were faster in a straight line, the fanboys here would be arguing what good is the Hellcat if it is only great at the track where only a few here would use it...and that the ZL1/Z28 are better because they are usable where most people would use them

[macwest]

If the hellcat sold for MSRP it would be a good deal for the price. Yeah may not handle as well as others but the fun factor is definitely there. The issue , as I see it, is the price these are being bought at. At 20+K over MSRP why buy a hellcat? Recently I was at a dodge here in norcal. The wanted 100K for their hellcat that was coming in but I could get their Viper GTS for 90K.

In comparing camaro to hellcat best comparison is the ZL1 not Z28. In that comparison for less then dodges 20K markup Hennesy can so some great mods and still maintain warranty on a zl1 and it will out do the hellcat any day of the week.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Nobody here is saying that the Z/28 wouldn't have the clear advantage at the track, the problem is virtually nobody races at the track.

Such foolishness. How much time have you spent on racetracks? I've never gone to a racetrack and found nobody there! The fact is I have trouble even getting track time if I don't plan in advance. To so say "nobody races at the track" only underscores your lack of understanding.

Originally Posted by newmoon

So again where would the Z/28 have any advantage on a public road?

Once again, if a 700hp Hellcat can go full throttle 0-1XXmph on public streets then a 500hp Z/28 can take a high speed sweeper or highway clover-leaf at speeds that would make a Challenger wet itself. It's that simple. Neither would be safe, legal or wise.

Originally Posted by shaffe

This ^ this site is well know around the web and even at car meets for having insane amounts of fanboyism.

But its not just C5, Mustang6G is just as bad if not worse lol

I think the difference in, SVTperformance and Challengertalk are far less accommodating to outsiders. Every forum I've ever participated in has fanboys. I think the leniency at Camaro5 to allow discussions to carry on ad nauseum is somewhat unique. It takes a lot to get banned here. After all, they still let you post here despite my ban requests

Originally Posted by shaffe

If you want to get technical, what good is any performance oriented car on public roads if thats the route you two want to argue.

That's oversimplifying it. You can enjoy prodigious torque, you can enjoy balance, you can enjoy engagement, you can enjoy grip, and you can enjoy these things below the performance limits of the car. Will you experience the maximum performance of any car on the street vs a track? No, of course not.

Originally Posted by shaffe

I think what Newmoon is trying to say is that its easier to go ahead an go WOT for a quick blast than to go corner carving and really push a car to it's handling limits on public roads.

This is exactly what he's saying but I disagree. If you can go WOT for a quick blast, you can take a 240-degree descending off-ramp under throttle. You can toss the car into tight S-turns. You can lane-change in a split-second to avoid road debris. You use handling everyday. To say you can use 700hp but not great handling is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Can't we just accept it that the hellcat is not a total package car. As long as it doesn't handle like a matchbox car, it should handle plenty well enough to be fun to drive.

Of course it's not a total package car, but some (newmoon and rocket403) would lead you to believe that Hellcats drive WOT throttle everywhere they go all day long and everyone should only want to go fast in a straight-line. I feel largely about the Hellcat as I did the last GT500. Excellent engine in search of a chassis. I've said it a hundred times, the problem with the Dodge twins was never lack of power...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Such foolishness. How much time have you spent on racetracks? I've never gone to a racetrack and found nobody there! The fact is I have trouble even getting track time if I don't plan in advance. To so say "nobody races at the track" only underscores your lack of understanding.

Not to many road courses near me, which is why more people around here go to the dragstrip. I have 3 dragstrips within 100 miles of me and 1 road course. And that road course you have to be a member of to race on, or use their cars in a 1/2 day thing(as far as I know, just glanced over the details)

Once again, if a 700hp Hellcat can go full throttle 0-1XXmph on public streets then a 500hp Z/28 can take a high speed sweeper or highway clover-leaf at speeds that would make a Challenger wet itself. It's that simple. Neither would be safe, legal or wise.



I think the difference in, SVTperformance and Challengertalk are far less accommodating to outsiders. Every forum I've ever participated in has fanboys. I think the leniency at Camaro5 to allow discussions to carry on ad nauseum is somewhat unique. It takes a lot to get banned here. After all, they still let you post here despite my ban requests

But if I was to get banned who would you argue with! eventually the hellcat threads will die, you need me to argue other stuff like sales and other non important technicalities haha

That's oversimplifying it. You can enjoy prodigious torque, you can enjoy balance, you can enjoy engagement, you can enjoy grip, and you can enjoy these things below the performance limits of the car. Will you experience the maximum performance of any car on the street vs a track? No, of course not.

True

This is exactly what he's saying but I disagree. If you can go WOT for a quick blast, you can take a 240-degree descending off-ramp under throttle. You can toss the car into tight S-turns. You can lane-change in a split-second to avoid road debris. You use handling everyday. To say you can use 700hp but not great handling is ridiculous.

While I would rather not get sucked into this debate, you can do all of those in a Hellcat as well, will it do it as good as other cars no, can it do it yes it can. Will other cars be more fun at it, most likely. The only thing I would argue is that when you or others bring up Hellcat handling, the way your posts are worded make it as if you are saying the hellcat handles like a matchbox car

Of course it's not a total package car, but some (newmoon and rocket403) would lead you to believe that Hellcats drive WOT throttle everywhere they go all day long and everyone should only want to go fast in a straight-line. I feel largely about the Hellcat as I did the last GT500. Excellent engine in search of a chassis. I've said it a hundred times, the problem with the Dodge twins was never lack of power...

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[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by shaffe

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You're like that itch I just can't scratch shaffe

And you can go WOT in a ZL1, Z/28 etc on the street...just like in a Hellcat. While the difference in acceleration is pronounced between the Hellcat and ZL1, so is the difference in handling. A ZL1 may only have 90% of the acceleration but the Hellcat has only 90% of the handling (rough estimates to illustrate the point). To say one is more usable is merely supposition.

I have numerous drag-strips nearby, none of which I frequent. It takes far more work to design, build and maintain a proper racetrack than a drag-strip which is why there are fewer of them. I'm not saying drag-strips aren't fun now and then but it gets boring quickly. Twelve seconds of rush followed by an hour of waiting to get another twelve second thrill. Conversely, most track sessions are ~20min of adrenaline. It's exhausting actually but you really test your mettle and learn just how capable you and your car are (or aren't) lol

[Q'smuscle]

[QUOTE=shaffe;8328033]This ^ this site is well know around the web and even at car meets for having insane amounts of fanboyism.

But its not just C5, Mustang6G is just as bad if not worse lol

lol.... Please! Why are there so many mustang and challenger fanboys here than ? Because this is the only site that has alot of both and there's not alot of Camaro fanboys over on the challenger or mustang forum! You're full of yourself. All the other forums do is bash and talk crap !

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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Drag strips aren't what's hot right now, maybe not but I would be willing to bet there are 25 members in this forum who will visit the strip to every 1 that will visit the track with their Camaros. So outside of reading the mag articles, what is the performance venue most owners are actually using? In my area I know 1 person who uses his Laguna Seca for track duty, everyone else either plays on the street or visits the strip.

Well come out to Cali than! Because I see alot of Camaro owners just on this site at tracks in groups! Where else you see Camaro's in groups at?

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Well come out to Cali than! Because I see alot of Camaro owners just on this site at tracks in groups! Where else you see Camaro's in groups at?

Repair bays

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Repair bays

Sorry! The 5th Gen Camaro is the most reliable out of the three . Soooo go troll somewhere else! All you do is crap on the Camaro with no facts! Don't believe you even have a 5th Gen! probably drives mommy car!

[SpeedIsLife]

I also clearly do not use enough exclamation marks

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I also clearly do not use enough exclamation marks

lol... Am I supposed to care where I put one or when I use one , when I'm on the net talking to a troll? Good comeback ! You're a waste and obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cars . So leave this thread and site for real car enthusiast.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

You're like that itch I just can't scratch shaffe

And you can go WOT in a ZL1, Z/28 etc on the street...just like in a Hellcat. While the difference in acceleration is pronounced between the Hellcat and ZL1, so is the difference in handling. A ZL1 may only have 90% of the acceleration but the Hellcat has only 90% of the handling (rough estimates to illustrate the point). To say one is more usable is merely supposition.

I have numerous drag-strips nearby, none of which I frequent. It takes far more work to design, build and maintain a proper racetrack than a drag-strip which is why there are fewer of them. I'm not saying drag-strips aren't fun now and then but it gets boring quickly. Twelve seconds of rush followed by an hour of waiting to get another twelve second thrill. Conversely, most track sessions are ~20min of adrenaline. It's exhausting actually but you really test your mettle and learn just how capable you and your car are (or aren't) lol

agreed one the usability on street, enough of that topic lol.

My comment on the strip vs track was more of just throwing this out there as to why I rarely here about local people going to a track.

I know the costs are more to maintain a race track vs strip, which is also why track days are more expensive than going to strip. I can go do test n tune at GLD for 30 bucks and get as many runs as I want. Road course, 225 bucks at BFR in wisconsin. I can see why more people lean towards drag racing. Don't get me wrong I would love to get on a road course, just a tad on the pricey side. ( and I dont have the right car anymore haha)

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by shaffe

agreed one the usability on street, enough of that topic lol.

My comment on the strip vs track was more of just throwing this out there as to why I rarely here about local people going to a track.

I know the costs are more to maintain a race track vs strip, which is also why track days are more expensive than going to strip. I can go do test n tune at GLD for 30 bucks and get as many runs as I want. Road course, 225 bucks at BFR in wisconsin. I can see why more people lean towards drag racing. Don't get me wrong I would love to get on a road course, just a tad on the pricey side. ( and I dont have the right car anymore haha)

Never thought about the cost difference! That's a good point.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Never thought about the cost difference! That's a good point.

Thanks, thats why all the car guys I know pretty much all drag race. I could do my entire trip to the dragstrip on a saturday for 80 bucks if I just wanted to test n tune. That includes gas, food, and tolls going to the track, I could do it for under 120 if I wanted to enter a race and compete with a chance to bring home some $. Not to mention that GLD is open Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday Friday for test n tune and saturday and sunday have events (with some test n tune inbetween rounds) So we could go to the drag strip whenever we want. Road course has to be days they have set aside for test n tune or open sessions. That is why in my automotive circle I know everyone drag races, its cheaper and more convenient.

I do know a few that like to Auto X though, but not the same as getting on a road course