2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Yeah, the fact they put 109 in it kinda screwed the pooch on these claims.

Even though there is no tuning available to optimize the engines for race fuel, and we really do not know how much impact the race fuel actually had (unless they have datalogs that they are not sharing?), there remains a distinct chance it had a positive impact.

At the least the 109 likely helped prevent the engine from pulling timing.

I am scratching my head why they did that also.

At least do a run on 93 octane before you put in race gas.

[SpeedIsLife]

It's been confirmed by the manager of the drag strip where the testing was held that the white Hellcat was bone stock. Preimum 93 fuel and stock tires.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...evisited-video

The black Hellcat had 109 race fuel, DR's (not slicks) and a very well prepped track.

Both cars obviously had great weather conditions.

However, it's been confirmed that the white car was bone stock.

[gen6waiter]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

It's been confirmed by the manager of the drag strip where the testing was held that the white Hellcat was bone stock. Preimum 93 fuel and stock tires.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...evisited-video

The black Hellcat had 109 race fuel, DR's (not slicks) and a very well prepped track.

Both cars obviously had great weather conditions.

However, it's been confirmed that the white car was bone stock.

LowDown is not going to like this.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

It's been confirmed by the manager of the drag strip where the testing was held that the white Hellcat was bone stock. Preimum 93 fuel and stock tires.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...evisited-video

The black Hellcat had 109 race fuel, DR's (not slicks) and a very well prepped track.

Both cars obviously had great weather conditions.

However, it's been confirmed that the white car was bone stock.

but according to HEMI DAVE...

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

...nitrous was an original goal but all parties stated the same..

...spray was never used on any of the runs...

While Burns Motors is in fact a dodge dealership...

...They were just having fun and really didn't quite realize what they had accomplished..."

The cars are obviously fast. Why all the

[ilirg]

I really don't understand how anyone can think a 707 HP car even if it weighs 4500 pounds is not going to be fast. Mercs and Bimmers have been making fast as heck 4k pounders for years.

[woodside783]

^^^^^ yep

[Q'smuscle]

707HP better be fast like I have never seen! Either way , it's our muscle cars that is on top! And I'm just happy that they are making Muscle cars by all three brands that are all a beast!

[khell86]

I cant believe the way those things hook and go. So easy...

[DDoug]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

I'm so impressed. ONE SINGLE CAR, on ONE SINGLE PASS, equipped with an AUTOMATIC transmission, on a WELL PREPPED track, under PERFECT CONDITIONS, running 109 OCTANE, was able to meet Dodge's claimed performance number for a **STOCK** car after 6 MONTHS of Hellcat tests and reviews pouring in showing a range of 11.4-12.5 on pump gas.

I just don't see what the obsession is for you guys. There are many cars faster than this stock. There are many modified cars faster than this for far less. I've never seen a fan base with such strong desire to be validated by something as silly as a marketed ET.

What is your obsession with coming to this thread to poo poo a car that, in it's first month on the streets, runs an 11.05?

Since when is race gas a mod?

What other $60k cars are this fast? I can think of one and it's not made anymore.

You're hug up on race gas being a mod. Now you wanna talk about modded to modded? I guess you'll need to split more hairs over what mods are allowed!

Look, I enjoy my ZL1 and I'm missing it in this crappy winter weather and I'm not getting rid of my ZL1. Well, unless I cave and get a Z/28! HellCat was never on my list (Scat Pack was, a big bang for the buck IMO, 12.2 first time out by a member of this forum) but I can't see discrediting a car's et because a bunch of journalists can't match the time on an unprepared "track."

I mentioned this before. What did GM say a stock ZL1 could turn? Something in the 12's, I believe. Yet another member here has tured a 11.55. I guess it needs to be discredited too, eh? Or, does it have the "right" badge so it's ok?

Now, go get some more magazine times and post 'em up again. It never gets old.

[gen6waiter]

Originally Posted by DDoug

What is your obsession with coming to this thread to poo poo a car that, in it's first month on the streets, runs an 11.05?

Since when is race gas a mod?

What other $60k cars are this fast? I can think of one and it's not made anymore.

You're hug up on race gas being a mod. Now you wanna talk about modded to modded? I guess you'll need to split more hairs over what mods are allowed!

Look, I enjoy my ZL1 and I'm missing it in this crappy winter weather and I'm not getting rid of my ZL1. Well, unless I cave and get a Z/28! HellCat was never on my list (Scat Pack was, a big bang for the buck IMO, 12.2 first time out by a member of this forum) but I can't see discrediting a car's et because a bunch of journalists can't match the time on an unprepared "track."

I mentioned this before. What did GM say a stock ZL1 could turn? Something in the 12's, I believe. Yet another member here has tured a 11.55. I guess it needs to be discredited too, eh? Or, does it have the "right" badge so it's ok?

Now, go get some more magazine times and post 'em up again. It never gets old.

He likes Chevy 1000% and all else sucks

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

I am scratching my head why they did that also.

At least do a run on 93 octane before you put in race gas.

Perplexing indeed. Given the ideal conditions and track prep, why not make a pass or three on 93 before dumping in the race fuel?

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

It's been confirmed by the manager of the drag strip where the testing was held that the white Hellcat was bone stock. Preimum 93 fuel and stock tires.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...evisited-video

The black Hellcat had 109 race fuel, DR's (not slicks) and a very well prepped track.

Both cars obviously had great weather conditions.

However, it's been confirmed that the white car was bone stock.

So someone talks directly with the source and confirms that both cars were running 109. Now, a week later, the track manager says it was 93? This story get's more capricious by the minute.

Originally Posted by ilirg

I really don't understand how anyone can think a 707 HP car even if it weighs 4500 pounds is not going to be fast. Mercs and Bimmers have been making fast as heck 4k pounders for years.

Indeed. But when Dodge does it they deserve "special attention".

Originally Posted by DDoug

What is your obsession with coming to this thread to poo poo a car that, in it's first month on the streets, runs an 11.05?

Get your facts straight. The Hellcat has been tested and reviewed since July. Deliveries started late October/early November. Cars.com had one at the dragstrip in August and ran 11.4.

Originally Posted by DDoug

Since when is race gas a mod?

I didn't realize Dodge delivered Hellcats with 109 octane. My mistake.

Originally Posted by DDoug

What other $60k cars are this fast? I can think of one and it's not made anymore.

Any number of cars are this fast for far less. What you're trying to ask is "what other $60k cars come from the factory with a full warranty and run 11's stock"? The C7 comes to mind. But, but, but I have to accommodate three midgets in the backseat they will say. Not to mention, Ford already built, sold and discontinued a car that did this. Nice of Dodge to mimic.

Originally Posted by DDoug

You're hug up on race gas being a mod. Now you wanna talk about modded to modded? I guess you'll need to split more hairs over what mods are allowed!

Nope. I'm not "hug" up on anything. I fully expect some Hellcats somewhere will match and exceed Dodge's 11.2 claim on street tires. Look at stock ZL1 times - far faster than what Chevy marketing announced.

Originally Posted by DDoug

Look, I enjoy my ZL1 and I'm missing it in this crappy winter weather and I'm not getting rid of my ZL1. Well, unless I cave and get a Z/28! HellCat was never on my list (Scat Pack was, a big bang for the buck IMO, 12.2 first time out by a member of this forum) but I can't see discrediting a car's et because a bunch of journalists can't match the time on an unprepared "track."

Those journalists, flawed as they are, also tested the GT500 and ZL1 in the same manner. Relative to each other those results are very consistent with actual owner times as I have shown time and again in this thread. Sure some will run slightly faster...but many will run considerably slower too.

Originally Posted by DDoug

I mentioned this before. What did GM say a stock ZL1 could turn? Something in the 12's, I believe. Yet another member here has tured a 11.55. I guess it needs to be discredited too, eh? Or, does it have the "right" badge so it's ok?

Nowhere did I say or imply that stock times should be discredited. I think all times should be considered when evaluating the performance of a car. How can you recognize the 11.4 cars.com ran but not accept the 12.11 this guy ran?
http://nineballgarage.com/2015/01/dr...ellcat-vs-zr1/

Originally Posted by DDoug

Now, go get some more magazine times and post 'em up again. It never gets old.

Funny how Mopar fans flock to this forum to post a postive magazine time/review but when I post them, they're no longer meaningful? You have a better way of providing head-to-head performance metrics and driving characteristics than from people who do this for a living? No, MotorTrend, Car&Driver, Road&Track aren't perfect, but their testing methodologies are consistent. All cars will post faster acceleration times than magazines report, not just Dodge.

Originally Posted by gen6waiter

He likes Chevy 1000% and all else sucks

Really? I've owned two Chevy's in my entire life and one Cadillac. I've owned far more Chrysler products than GM. Nice try though.

[96MrBass]

Isn't everyone intitled to their own opinion I mean not everyone loves the same football, basket ball , hockey or whatever team. IMO people are going to like a certain manufacturer's design's/performance better than others I know I do.

[96MrBass]

How about that nineball drag test that was pretty interesting?

[cal45]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Isn't everyone intitled to their own opinion I mean not everyone loves the same football, basket ball , hockey or whatever team. IMO people are going to like a certain manufacturer's design's/performance better than others I know I do.

Agree 100%. I happen to like that the Big 3 are competing at creating performance/high HP cars. While I haven't had too many Ford's in my life, as I tend to lean towards GM and Mopar, I have my order in for my very own HC Challenger......but this thread is entertaining.