Read the facts folks! =)

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by rez333

Nobody is expecting exclusitivity. But celebrating homogeneity is entirely a different matter.

Then make the car your own. Mod it, do whatever.

Doesn't change the fact that high Camaro sales figures are a good thing.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Doesn't change the fact that high Camaro sales figures are a good thing.

Maybe if you're a shareholder!

Yeah yeah, it's a good thing from the perspective that Chevy can't afford to keep it if there aren't a bazillion sold every year - but that's just a sad fact of corporate reality - hardly something that an individual owner should get excited about.

What gets me excited is that I have a superior product. Who sells more PCs - Microsoft or Apple? Should we celebrate the mediocrity of Windows just because there are more of them around? What a pathetically poor excuse to celebrate a product.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by rez333

Maybe if you're a shareholder!

Yeah yeah, it's a good thing from the perspective that Chevy can't afford to keep it if there aren't a bazillion sold every year - but that's just a sad fact of corporate reality - hardly something that an individual owner should get excited about.

I am a shareholder.

And I'm also a Camaro fan who wants to see the nameplate live on. The only way that will happen is with high Camaro sales.

If you don't care about that, more power to you. It's seems that you're primarily concerned about individualism and yourself (in no way a bad thing). But high sales figures are for the good of the car, the company, and the community.

In terms of Microsoft vs Apple, I honestly have zero desire to own another Mac as I type this on my MacBook Pro. In fact, ironically enough, one of the things that annoys me the most about it is the fact that everyone and their mother now owns one.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

If you don't care about that, more power to you. It's seems that you're primarily concerned about individualism and yourself (in no way a bad thing). But high sales figures are for the good of the car, the company, and the community.

All I care about is the quality of the product.

It makes perfect sense when people wax lyrical about why Camaros are better made, or faster or damn good. But going on about sales figures and how "they're everywhere - yay!" is like saying Macdonalds is better than Fatburger because there's a like "one on every street corner! yay!"

Who does that except a corporate franchise marketing agent?

[FenwickHockey65]

The Camaro has its faults like every car but overall is still a quality product. Of course there are some who have purchased Camaros simply because it's the "popular car" but it still sells well on its own merits.

[monstertodd]

I agree that the data is skewed by including cars that have absolutely nothing to do with the Camaro.

And indeed, just because more are sold doesn't mean that it is a higher quality product. The mcdonalds/fatburger and microsoft/apple arguments are perfect analogies to illustrate this.

But in the long run, higher camaro sales ultimately means that GM will have a greater ability to incorporate process and quality improvements into subsequent model year Camaros, as well as later generation Camaros.

This is good for anyone who is a fan of the Camaro or Corvette. It tells GM that those cars are relevant to a large demographic of people. It is now GM's job to run with this data and incorporate improvements into their products instead of letting them languish on as has been the case in the past.

[ffrcobra_65]

Extra Extra! another BMD special.

[YourBlindingBias]

I definitely get the anger vibe in his posts, seems as though he is mad at other car manufacturers, odd.

[SleepWarz]

Originally Posted by rez333

Maybe if you're a shareholder!

Yeah yeah, it's a good thing from the perspective that Chevy can't afford to keep it if there aren't a bazillion sold every year - but that's just a sad fact of corporate reality - hardly something that an individual owner should get excited about.

What gets me excited is that I have a superior product. Who sells more PCs - Microsoft or Apple? Should we celebrate the mediocrity of Windows just because there are more of them around? What a pathetically poor excuse to celebrate a product.

Lets not bring the pitiful apple product into this. Like buying a BMW and getting a KIA but people eat it up because it looks nice. That company is built on lies, miss information, and dirty marketing schemes. Lets pack regular PC parts inside a fancy aluminum box and charge about a thousand more bucks than its worth. all the way to the bank! How they survived as a reputable company after building LCII's and Power Macs is absolutely beyond me.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Stew

So, they are honestly considering the CRZ and the Veloster as Camaro competitors? And the 6 series, SLK, and Z4 as Camaro compeitors? give me a break, read that yesterday and they have picked and chose cars to make their numbers pan out. What a joke.

No...they could highlight as many cars as are in the segment....but they don't label the segment.
The numbers are legitimate.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Stew

So much more that is better especially against the Camaro. Seriously, do you see a 138 HP economy car or a hybris 2 seat hatchback as Camaro competitors? I saw their reasoning for leaving out the Gen coupe, but hell, most of what they compared the Corvette against would be closer to the Camaro than those 2. What about the 370Z? Heck looking at V6 models, the Accord coupe, Altima coupe, even the Eclipse and G37 are closer competitors than the CRZ and Veloster, again, they picked a slow selling hybrid and a car that only came out in November of last year to skew the numbers.

As for the corvette, what about the Obvious GT-R??? The 370 Nismo? ate least pit other performance cars instead of of ones you'd be more likely to find in a secratry's parking spot.

Look at the numbers. Add them up. Do they equal 100? No. Why? Because they only listed the biggest sellers in the segment. There are dozens of other cars that each have a 1-5% slice of the market that simply weren't listed.

Originally Posted by rez333

Yes!!!! We drive the same cars as the majority!! This is much to celebrate - when I was a kid I always dreamed that I would grow up and become nothing special! Yee ha!

Always remember that you are unique ... just like everyone else.

Originally Posted by rez333

All I care about is the quality of the product.

It makes perfect sense when people wax lyrical about why Camaros are better made, or faster or damn good. But going on about sales figures and how "they're everywhere - yay!" is like saying Macdonalds is better than Fatburger because there's a like "one on every street corner! yay!"

Who does that except a corporate franchise marketing agent?

I don't see the distinction between having a good product & having a successful product. To me, the only way for a product to be truly successful is to actually deliver what people are willing to buy. Which means that you have to include not only style and performance, but also value. And when you weigh every single possible factor that enters a potential buyers mind ... Camaro's & Corvettes turn out to be a better choice do it better than any other performance car on the market -hence, their high market shares.

Think of it this way ... if someone didn't believe that a Camaro or Corvette was the best possible car to meet what they want (given their available means), they wouldn't buy it. I can't image that there is anyone out there that says 'ya know, the GT-R is a really nice car and I'd like to own one buuut Corvettes are more popular so I'll just settle for a ZR1 instead'. Some people might buy clothing like that, but spending tens of thousands on a car is a little different.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No...they could highlight as many cars as are in the segment....but they don't label the segment.
The numbers are legitimate.

That is a copout though, sure they can, but choosing such cars that have nothing in common is basically them manipulating numbers, so IMHO, it is total BS. I would say the same if it was CHrysler or Ford or whoever pulling this crap lol.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Look at the numbers. Add them up. Do they equal 100? No. Why? Because they only listed the biggest sellers in the segment. There are dozens of other cars that each have a 1-5% slice of the market that simply weren't listed.


Always remember that you are unique ... just like everyone else.

I don't see the distinction between having a good product & having a successful product. To me, the only way for a product to be truly successful is to actually deliver what people are willing to buy. Which means that you have to include not only style and performance, but also value. And when you weigh every single possible factor that enters a potential buyers mind ... Camaro's & Corvettes turn out to be a better choice do it better than any other performance car on the market -hence, their high market shares.

Think of it this way ... if someone didn't believe that a Camaro or Corvette was the best possible car to meet what they want (given their available means), they wouldn't buy it. I can't image that there is anyone out there that says 'ya know, the GT-R is a really nice car and I'd like to own one buuut Corvettes are more popular so I'll just settle for a ZR1 instead'. Some people might buy clothing like that, but spending tens of thousands on a car is a little different.

Actually if you read the article, there were a number of more valid competitors that sold more than the cars listed, again, it is just a manipulation of numbers.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Stew

That is a copout though, sure they can, but choosing such cars that have nothing in common is basically them manipulating numbers, so IMHO, it is total BS. I would say the same if it was CHrysler or Ford or whoever pulling this crap lol.

The numbers are legit.

I'm sorry you're not happy with the outcome?