PHS certification? - Page 2

chevy454 · 10-21-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

Can I PM you a VIN to search?

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So very true and the crooks get better every day. I wish the NICB files could be opened without having a case number.

The NICB is missing the boat on that one...they could make money hand over fist (same with Chevrolet & their records) if they wanted to. We've been begging them for years, and had talked to them a couple times about using an intermediate party to handle the front end stuff so the NICB could simply be paid to do what it already does. But they're not interested...

MLL67RSSS · 10-21-2011, 09:59 AM

Not necessarily. NICB (National Insurance Crime Bureau) files do exist for VINs way back when. They deal mainly with fraud types of things; vehicle VIN ever reported stolen, salvage title, stuff like that. So basically they track information pertaining to a vehicles VIN. They CAN tell shipping invoice date and invoice #, and the date it was delivered to what dealer/location. They can also tell you if the car has ever been shipped out of the country (legally of course), from where on what date and delivered to what location on what date, as well as other shipping information (shipping company, invoice #/shipping document). They CANNOT and DO NOT have specific information as to what options, drivetrain on older cars that don't have a VIN identifying letter, etc. the car was built with. It can tell you it had a V8 but it can't tell you what V8. So as for proving a car is "as built" by the factory they are of no help. I have seen the NICB file for my car.

Fightinfire921 · 10-21-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MLL67RSSS

Not necessarily. NICB (National Insurance Crime Bureau) files do exist for VINs way back when. They deal mainly with fraud types of things; vehicle VIN ever reported stolen, salvage title, stuff like that. So basically they track information pertaining to a vehicles VIN. They CAN tell shipping invoice date and invoice #, and the date it was delivered to what dealer/location. They can also tell you if the car has ever been shipped out of the country (legally of course), from where on what date and delivered to what location on what date, as well as other shipping information (shipping company, invoice #/shipping document). They CANNOT and DO NOT have specific information as to what options, drivetrain on older cars that don't have a VIN identifying letter, etc. the car was built with. It can tell you it had a V8 but it can't tell you what V8. So as for proving a car is "as built" by the factory they are of no help. I have seen the NICB file for my car.

I would love to have that information.

LOWDOWN · 10-21-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MLL67RSSS

To which part, hope, all B.S. or have seen the stuff?

Yes...

...a search of my post history from a couple of months' ago may give some "insight"...

Can I PM you a VIN to search?

Unless it's a Pontiac...or was built or sold in Canada...or was a '69 COPO, you're kinda on your own, sadly... Each State/Province has a title search "capability", but who/what/when/where is the "problem". And I do not personally have those answers...

"They built 20,302 Z/28 Camaros in 1969, over 25,000 of them still exist..."

Seems every other '69 Camaro you see, nowadays, is a "Z/28"-badged badboy...and a good portion of the remainder are COPO-clones...

Certainly makes you wonder when my "sig" will become a reality... If there is a missing nameplate in North America, it certainly is Z/28!

Stingr69 · 10-21-2011, 01:25 PM

You would think the NICB would WANT to prevent stolen cars from trading hands but you can't just ask them if a VIN is hot or not. WTH?

-Mark.

MLL67RSSS · 10-21-2011, 01:35 PM

I think you can:

https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck

Stingr69 · 10-21-2011, 01:41 PM

5 Years back only.

LOWDOWN · 10-21-2011, 03:31 PM

Sadly, that's a fact...

Witness Beach Boy's Al Jardine and his travails with a "recreated" HemiCuda @ B-J, 2 years ago...

http://blog.cardomain.com/2010/01/18...rrett-jackson/

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/tag/al-jardine-cuda/

It's a jungle, out there...

Fightinfire921 · 10-21-2011, 04:19 PM

This car was on first gen. sites for a while. Quite a story behind it.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=263&pop=0

Fightinfire921 · 10-21-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MLL67RSSS

I think you can:

https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck

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Originally Posted by Stingr69

5 Years back only.

I ran my 1969 and it shows it not stolen or a rebody.

Stingr69 · 10-21-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

I ran my 1969 and it shows it not stolen or a rebody.

Yes - the search for stolen or totaled record looks for theft or damage records that are within the last 5 years. Not much help if anything happened to it say 7 years ago.:(

-Mark.

Fightinfire921 · 10-21-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stingr69

Yes - the search for stolen or totaled record looks for theft or damage records that are within the last 5 years. Not much help if anything happened to it say 7 years ago.:(

-Mark.

Yep!! didn't read the entire page, sorry.

monstertodd · 10-22-2011, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Russell James

Pontiac Historical Society.

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Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

Todd check this link: http://www.phs-online.com/

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Originally Posted by Scrappy Doo

And the answer is already here..... lol.

What are you looking for OP?

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Pontiac Historical Services, created/run by Jim Mattison, can serve up an accurate production record for any Pontiac produced from '57-forward, by VIN. His documentation is used to verify "factory-build" Model/Options, to help prevent folks from selling a "GTO" when in fact it was built as a Le Mans. Part of the due-dilligence one should use when spending BIG buck$ for a Pontiac "collector car"...

Too bad every GM Division didn't have something similar in place...although GM-Canada can supply the same sort of documentation/verification for any GM product built and/or sold in Canada, '46-forward. COPOs, Z/28s, SSs etc. are just a call from verification. http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/shopping/parts/vintage

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Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

Todd, always get opinions before you buy a classic car. There's just way to many crooks out there seeking to get your money.

Awesome, thanks for the feed back guys. I was looking at early 70's firebirds. There seem to be quite a few out there in seemingly good condition that are reasonably priced

10-21-2011, 09:59 AM	#16
MLL67RSSS Account Suspended Drives: car Join Date: May 2008 Location: location Posts: 1,569	Not necessarily. NICB (National Insurance Crime Bureau) files do exist for VINs way back when. They deal mainly with fraud types of things; vehicle VIN ever reported stolen, salvage title, stuff like that. So basically they track information pertaining to a vehicles VIN. They CAN tell shipping invoice date and invoice #, and the date it was delivered to what dealer/location. They can also tell you if the car has ever been shipped out of the country (legally of course), from where on what date and delivered to what location on what date, as well as other shipping information (shipping company, invoice #/shipping document). They CANNOT and DO NOT have specific information as to what options, drivetrain on older cars that don't have a VIN identifying letter, etc. the car was built with. It can tell you it had a V8 but it can't tell you what V8. So as for proving a car is "as built" by the factory they are of no help. I have seen the NICB file for my car. Last edited by MLL67RSSS; 10-21-2011 at 10:29 AM.

10-21-2011, 04:19 PM	#23
Fightinfire921 Drives: GMC Acadia, 2024 Chevrolet Camaro Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Winter Springs FL Posts: 1,660 View My Garage	This car was on first gen. sites for a while. Quite a story behind it. http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=263&pop=0 __________________ 2024 Camaro 2SS

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10-21-2011, 01:25 PM	#19
Stingr69 '69 Owned Since '79 Drives: '69 Z/28 LeMans Blue w/White Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: LR AR Posts: 1,848 View My Garage	You would think the NICB would WANT to prevent stolen cars from trading hands but you can't just ask them if a VIN is hot or not. WTH? -Mark.

10-21-2011, 01:35 PM	#20
MLL67RSSS Account Suspended Drives: car Join Date: May 2008 Location: location Posts: 1,569	I think you can: https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck

10-21-2011, 01:41 PM	#21
Stingr69 '69 Owned Since '79 Drives: '69 Z/28 LeMans Blue w/White Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: LR AR Posts: 1,848 View My Garage	5 Years back only.

10-21-2011, 03:31 PM	#22
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Sadly, that's a fact... Witness Beach Boy's Al Jardine and his travails with a "recreated" HemiCuda @ B-J, 2 years ago... http://blog.cardomain.com/2010/01/18...rrett-jackson/ http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/tag/al-jardine-cuda/ It's a jungle, out there...