Paypal being DOSed

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

The publisher has no agreement, and doesn't have the knowledge to know if it is classified or not. Do you?

Yeah, that's not gonna hold up in court. Just sayin.

[Jay_LHD3]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

Every American should be deeply afended by the actions of our government on this issue.

Our government called them terrorist and I agree. Unless you think all is perfect in the world there are some people with some real bad intentions. Putting sensitive information out in the open for these people is nothing short of working with them in my opinion; which make them terrorist.

Last I heard Master Card, Visa, & Paypal pulled their services from Wikileaks because our government put them on a terrorist list and were retaliated against by Wikileak supports.

I'm interested in seeing how this unfolds in the world...

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

They person removing them from the classified environment, he committed a felony. They guy publishing them? No. The publisher has no agreement, and doesn't have the knowledge to know if it is classified or not. Do you?

Wikileaks knows exactly what they are doing, don't try to kid us!!!

[justa25thTA]

Doesn't matter. Its called Freedom of the press. Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

They person removing them from the classified environment, he committed a felony. They guy publishing them? No. The publisher has no agreement, and doesn't have the knowledge to know if it is classified or not. Do you?

He'd (meaning Julian Assange) have knowledge the first time he looked at a document and saw the words "noforn" or "classified" or "secret." He's facilitating the crime. But once the documents are out there, the government couldn't arrest a Wall Street Journal reporter that's writing articles on what's in the documents.

[irocnroll]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

Doesn't matter. Its called Freedom of the press. Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?

There are limitations to the 1st Amendment and right to free speech. Prior Restraint comes to mind here. And if you say you have the right to say whatever, I dare to say try saying bomb aboard an airplane and then telling the judge its your first amendment right to free speech.

[SDCamaro10]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

Wikileaks has done nothing illegal. They didn't steal anything, the published documents given to them. Anyone remember the Pentagon Papers? Publishing them is protected by the US Constitution.

Of cousre he is an Australian citizen, being held in a British jail by the request of the Swedish government. He is even accused of a crime, just that the Swedes want to talk to him.

Every American should be deeply afended by the actions of our government on this issue.

I disagree.

Our classified documents are classified for a reason. When the government decides that those documents are no longer needed to remain secret, then they will make those documents unclassified for everyones viewing pleasure. If something needed to be known, we have the Freedom of Information Act in which a REQUEST will be submitted for that information. You cant just publish State secrets, just because. The person who leaked the info, is a criminal.. and given the amount and subject of the documents, should be tried as treason.

Wikileaks lacks any kind of moral fiber. It seems that they are purely an Anti-US / Anti-government group who is targeting the US for no real cause, other than to cause hate and discontent between nations.I can understand if they discovered something corrupt going on, and wanted to be the whistle blower.. but this isnt the case. 400,000+ State documents? what are they trying to prove? Every government has its secrets.

What they SHOULD be doing, is going after major corporations who are known to be operating illegally, are corrupt, and need to be set straight. Why not go after BP, drug lords, Haliburton etc?

As far as the war documents, a lot of those documents contain names of informants. Not only are they risking the lives of people that help us, but theyre also risking the lives of troops who are over in some of those areas as well. Being Active Duty myself, I take offense to what Wikileaks has done, for no just cause, because ultimately its putting my life, and my other brothers and sisters in arms, lives in danger for something we had no part of. Do you think those people will go after the diplomats? No, they'll go after who they happen to see first. The US troops.

Assange should be tried under the Espionage Act, and him and his band of miscrients should be locked away.

And EVERY AMERICAN should be offended by the actions of Wikileaks! Just wait until the relationships with other countries deteriorates because of this, and the entire world economy shuts down and your ass is left to fend for yourself.

[TROndrey]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

Doesn't matter. Its called Freedom of the press. Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?

The publisher is Austrialian born and is posting from Sweden. The Constitution of the United States of America does not apply to this. Those documents are the property of the United States of America.

Is the guy who stole them wrong? Yes, he stole classified government property!
Is the guy publishing them wrong? Yes, he accepted stolen property and is illegally publishing it to the general public. Documents that are classified do not fall under public domain, hence why it's classified!

[SDCamaro10]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

They person removing them from the classified environment, he committed a felony. They guy publishing them? No. The publisher has no agreement, and doesn't have the knowledge to know if it is classified or not. Do you?

Yes.. Each paper is individually marked as SECRET, CLASSIFIED, NOFORN etc.. Top and Bottom. Every. Single. One.

No way for anyone to play dumb about government documents.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

Doesn't matter. Its called Freedom of the press. Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?

Again, see how that works out in court. It's not like there are no boundaries.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by irocnroll

Because DOS are the best ways of handling what they believe in. How stupid. Its one thing to picket, but to deliberately shut down someones business is just childish.

Especially when shutting down that business affects a lot of people that had nothing to do with whatever you might be pissed off at.

[irocnroll]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Especially when shutting down that business affects a lot of people that had nothing to do with whatever you might be pissed off at.

Its foolish. But the people doing this don't think of them. They don't look at the big picture.

[justa25thTA]

Originally Posted by SDCamaro10

Yes.. Each paper is individually marked as SECRET, CLASSIFIED, NOFORN etc.. Top and Bottom. Every. Single. One.

No way for anyone to play dumb about government documents.

Sorry, but how does a civilian KNOW it is right? And a civilian has no agreement with the government. I understand your arguement, it just isn't correct. You are trying to put a burden of proof on the guy receiving the documents. How does he know the difference between a real classified document, and one that I rubber stamped at home?

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

Sorry, but how does a civilian KNOW it is right? And a civilian has no agreement with the government. I understand your arguement, it just isn't correct. You are trying to put a burden of proof on the guy receiving the documents. How does he know the difference between a real classified document, and one that I rubber stamped at home?

Because the US government wrote him a letter and told him they were worried about the severe political and military consequences that might ensue if he released these documents to the public. He has no excuse, he knew what he was doing.

Also, a civilian DOES have an agreement with the government not to possess or distribute classified documents. It's called a law, and it was broken in order for these documents to get into WikiLeaks' hands.

And as for someone knowing or not knowing if a document is REALLY a classified document or not, all they need to do is take it to their local law enforcement and they will be able to find out.

[irocnroll]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

Sorry, but how does a civilian KNOW it is right? And a civilian has no agreement with the government. I understand your arguement, it just isn't correct. You are trying to put a burden of proof on the guy receiving the documents. How does he know the difference between a real classified document, and one that I rubber stamped at home?

Ignorance is not a defense for not knowing the law.