Why DIDN'T you buy a mustang GT??

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

You’ve been very objective in all your statements & responses. You’re a pretty cool dude.

I myself have never been brand loyal, per sé, from a young age I just happened to learn a lot about Chevy motors. Yet by the end of high school I had built a Pontiac 400 for myself & a Ford 429 for my now FiL. The only American engine I’ve never worked on is Mopars. Just never had the opportunity. So I understand your sentiment.

Thanks, gt.

I did once have a 1964 Dodge I got as a hand-me down from my Dad (who was die-hard brand-loyal to Mopar for over 40 years). I never got inside that car's engine, but now that I think about it I did replace its Torqueflite transmission (low-reverse band broke, cheaper for me to DIY-swap the busted one out for a salvage yard replacement than have the original tranny repaired) and I did install a front sta-bar from some later Dodge model that actually came with one (Charger?).


Norm

[foshjowler]

Originally Posted by digitalfutur

I'm not convinced that a turbo in a sports car will last as long as a normally aspirated motor. A turbo may be OK in a family car that isn't shifted at or close to redline often.

Plus the LGX, like the LT1, and unlike the LTG, follow the longevity rule: No more than 100hp per liter of displacement; just like almost all Lexus vehicles. One reason why Lexus has top-notch reliability. Tuning for performance eventually runs up against diminishing returns.

I went with the LTG because of its tunability. Admittedly Ford makes a more robust turbo 4 motor. The 2.0T in my old Focus ST was good to 400 whp, and this LTG starts having issues at about 350. Although I'm not all that concerned because I didn't buy this car to push hp and straight-line numbers. Maybe if I pop the motor I'll consider doing internals, but until then it's just bolt-ons. The other nice thing about the LTG is it's cheap and simple to work on.

I would be willing to bet the LGX is dead reliable. You change the oil in it and it'll last to 200k miles without much complaint. There's no way the LTG is doing that, especially tuned. The V6 also sounds infinitely better, even in stock form. With mild exhaust work, it's straight up a good sounding motor.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Thanks, gt.

I did once have a 1964 Dodge I got as a hand-me down from my Dad (who was die-hard brand-loyal to Mopar for over 40 years). I never got inside that car's engine, but now that I think about it I did replace its Torqueflite transmission (low-reverse band broke, cheaper for me to DIY-swap the busted one out for a salvage yard replacement than have the original tranny repaired) and I did install a front sta-bar from some later Dodge model that actually came with one (Charger?).


Norm

Sure thing.

I was always scared of automatic trannies. Around 2K I found a couple tranny shop owners that let me be a fly on the wall for a while to learn their in’s & out’s. It was a great experience & I learned a lot, especially how NOT to fix trannies, I’m talking things like JB welding valve bodies, scraping clutches on the concrete floor with your foot. LOL

First Auto I rebuilt was a Ford AOD. Getting it to hold 600HP/Tq & retain 3rd/ 4th gear proved somewhat futile.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by s346k

im not sure if you've caught it, but i have made reference to the fact that i would not buy chevrolet for anything but a fun car. i suppose that is where my loyalty stops. i would not (otherwise) buy a chevrolet car, truck or suv if i was in the market. i have done so before, several times with used vehicles, but i certainly would not buy a new one from them unless it was a v8 performance oriented vehicle.

Actually, I did catch it. It’s just taking me a while to step outside my own preferences and see it with minimal bias. But I think I'm getting it.

I’ve always bought from among the more performance-oriented cars in whatever segment (and price range) we were shopping from. That didn’t necessarily require V8 power as long as the car was sufficiently responsive and fun to drive. Even the family sedans had to have a clear hint of sportiness about them.

On the new car front, Ford has nothing that interests me any more other than the ponycar Mustang, and Chevy really has only the Camaro. Both companies have abandoned ‘my’ kind of 'family sedan' and neither of us is interested in owning a truck and certainly not an SUV.


Norm

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Actually, I did catch it. It’s just taking me a while to step outside my own preferences and see it with minimal bias. But I think I'm getting it.

I’ve always bought from among the more performance-oriented cars in whatever segment (and price range) we were shopping from. That didn’t necessarily require V8 power as long as the car was sufficiently responsive and fun to drive. Even the family sedans had to have a clear hint of sportiness about them.

On the new car front, Ford has nothing that interests me any more other than the ponycar Mustang, and Chevy really has only the Camaro. Both companies have abandoned ‘my’ kind of 'family sedan' and neither of us is interested in owning a truck and certainly not an SUV.


Norm

Agreed - my "family sedan" is a 2008 M5 with the 500hp V10 and manual 6-speed. Even BMW doesn't make anything like that any longer. Best you can do is a M3 sedan - which are pretty good, but not as engaging as they used to be and rather pricey.

[Adamone92]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

You’ve been very objective in all your statements & responses. You’re a pretty cool dude.

I myself have never been brand loyal, per sé, from a young age I just happened to learn a lot about Chevy motors. Yet by the end of high school I had built a Pontiac 400 for myself & a Ford 429 for my now FiL. The only American engine I’ve never worked on is Mopars. Just never had the opportunity. So I understand your sentiment.

Yeah Norm is a pretty cool dude. Knows his stuff too.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Actually, I did catch it. It’s just taking me a while to step outside my own preferences and see it with minimal bias. But I think I'm getting it.



I’ve always bought from among the more performance-oriented cars in whatever segment (and price range) we were shopping from. That didn’t necessarily require V8 power as long as the car was sufficiently responsive and fun to drive. Even the family sedans had to have a clear hint of sportiness about them.



On the new car front, Ford has nothing that interests me any more other than the ponycar Mustang, and Chevy really has only the Camaro. Both companies have abandoned ‘my’ kind of 'family sedan' and neither of us is interested in owning a truck and certainly not an SUV.





Norm

If you want practicality with sportiness, there aren't that many choices other than hot hatches. Chevy has nothing to offer in that department, while Ford has killed the Fiesta ST and Focus ST/RS in North America.

I rode in a friend's Fiesta ST and it's a fun, small car if you also need practicality offered by a hatchback.

The only problem I see is that all of them have turbocharged engines and I am not sure if you will consider them responsive, but otherwise they are sporty as far as practical cars go, and all of them have a manual trans option.

I agree that Chevy doesn't interest me outside of Camaro and Corvette, but then again, I am not shopping for a pickup truck. If I am then maybe I will have a look.

If I were to buy a hot hatch now, I will probably pick the Veloster N, which I heard many good things about.



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[SloCal]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

If you want practicality with sportiness, there aren't that many choices other than hot hatches. Chevy has nothing to offer in that department, while Ford has killed the Fiesta ST and Focus ST/RS in North America.

I rode in a friend's Fiesta ST and it's a fun, small car if you also need practicality offered by a hatchback.

The only problem I see is that all of them have turbocharged engines and I am not sure if you will consider them responsive, but otherwise they are sporty as far as practical cars go, and all of them have a manual trans option.

I agree that Chevy doesn't interest me outside of Camaro and Corvette, but then again, I am not shopping for a pickup truck. If I am then maybe I will have a look.

If I were to buy a hot hatch now, I will probably pick the Veloster N, which I heard many good things about.



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Had a fiesta st a while back. Fun city car but high center of gravity and significant cooling issues Ford never cared to address for me. Limp mode in traffic in 100 degree weather, while canyon driving etc. was constantly having to run full heat on la summers thru the vents jsut to make it home. This was Stock and with a stage 1 tune. Dealerships told me I needed aftermarket radiators to remedy the problem which just isn’t acceptable.

That combined with seeing chevy pump out amazing performance deal after amazing deal made me swear off Ford for a while. Just had way too many issues and terrible experiences with their reps.

Was looking at gt350s after my first ss but was seeing an insane amount of issues with the oil pump and blown motors. Once again no real effort from Ford to address the root cause so no way I was buying that as a track car.

Then killing the fiesta st and pumping out a joke of a edge st was like ??

Mustang pp2 is also more expensive than 1le and is just an objectively worse performance/ track car

I do think chevy has really dropped th ball on marketing these cars. They make better muscle cars than Ford and yet can’t market and name them for shit so Ford constantly has waiting lists for their cars and people paying over sticker. Dodge too with a charger based on a 1990s e class.

IMO chevy needs to name these cars better and push them directly at the competition not just rely on us informed buyers to see them demolishing cars 3x the price in performance tests. Should’ve named 1le like something equivalent to boss etc. I get the history of the package naming and think it’s cool but it might have cost us a 7th gen. Just a shame how much they’re getting outsold after creating such a brilliant car in the 6th gen for such a screaming deal

[Scottyz]

They need to hire the Dodge marketing person!!!
Get some good reckless driving commercials. Like 4 wheel drifts and burnouts and donuts. Or, market the 1LE line with hide and track days as a focus on the fun of the car.
I know, I’m dreaming.

[SloCal]

Originally Posted by Scottyz

They need to hire the Dodge marketing person!!!
Get some good reckless driving commercials. Like 4 wheel drifts and burnouts and donuts. Or, market the 1LE line with hide and track days as a focus on the fun of the car.
I know, I’m dreaming.

Exactly. Needs to be like the chevy camaro SS werewolf package or some shit.

It’s a testament to how bad their marketing is that people are surprised by these cars at every track event. The casual think gt350s are in some other league of car and here we show up with our Sale aisle Supercar killers.

Name it the wildcat hunter or some crazy shit and then show it beating down cars on track while a police helicopter chases it. Zl1 1les should not be going for under sticker in the first year while people pay 30k over for a 4100lb gt500. I mean shit Galpin even tried to get me to pay over sticker on the fiesta st coming off the focus rs hype

[Scottyz]

Sale Aisle Supercar Killers
That’s awesome. I’m lmao!!!!

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

Sure thing.

I was always scared of automatic trannies. Around 2K I found a couple tranny shop owners that let me be a fly on the wall for a while to learn their in’s & out’s. It was a great experience & I learned a lot, especially how NOT to fix trannies, I’m talking things like JB welding valve bodies, scraping clutches on the concrete floor with your foot. LOL

First Auto I rebuilt was a Ford AOD. Getting it to hold 600HP/Tq & retain 3rd/ 4th gear proved somewhat futile.

Maybe they can teach GM how to fix the A8 trans.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Maybe they can teach GM how to fix the A8 trans.

Maybe, but I bet those guys are dead by now. Both were well into their 60’s, One chain smoked a pack in the 4hrs I’d be hanging around & helping, the other one was usually drunk shortly after lunch.

Nice guys though.

[willzilla]

I was looking at Mustangs for the past year, and Camaros for the past 6 months or so.. Prior to this year I honestly didn't even really consider the Camaro at all.. wasn't even on the radar. Never hear about them, never see them, and I never liked the previous gen 5 as it looked just kind of chunky. I really like the look of the new Mach 1 and may have went that way if they offered the a10 in the fancy appearance package version of the Mach 1 with the fighter jet colors and the upgraded performance package but wasn't willing to pay the most likely large dealer markup.

I watched some videos on the new camaros, saw a few recently just randomly for the first time in forever, and really loved the ss/2ss 1le versions and even more so the ZL1. The curves on these with the front end just looked like pure wickedness. Read on how great the alpha chassis, watched a ton of videos, read the posts on here, and hit up GearheadSS and he ordered up a 2021 ZL1 for me (satin steel, pdr, a10, nav, exposed cf hood heat extractor) and I drove up and picked the car up about a week ago or so. Super smooth process and love the car. Super sexy.

I don't understand the complaints on visibility.. I'm 6'2' 240lbs or so and can see perfectly fine. The rearview mirror camera system is awesome, the HUD is super clear, blind side detection and side mirrors are situated perfectly.. no issues. Love the interior and my only complaint is the wireless charger pad thing is to small for a modern phone, lol. Needs to be a good inch larger in length and width, and the dash would of been super nice if also covered in the Alcantara... also, wish the red knee pads option would be in red Alcantara instead of red leather so it would flow with the rest of the interior better (IMO).

Prior to this Camaro I owned an 82 Berlinetta (with a transplanted v8) and a 91 Camaro RS (305).