Why DIDN'T you buy a mustang GT??

[Orange ss]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

Good looking ‘72 Chevelle!

Thank you ..my first car ..had the chevelle many years now .originally picked it up for $300 dollars back in 1992.

[Scottyz]

Originally Posted by Orange ss

Thank you
DEFINITELY enjoy driving both ..they both equally get attention. Also both different orange colors happen to go with my old baby as well .

Damn I love Chevelles. Very nice.

[tray_103]

Originally Posted by ScatPack

Yeah but once again, Ford has decided to hobble this new Mach1 with just a manual trans option. Chevy FINALLY got their act together on the 1LE and for 2021 you can get an A10 now. That should have been the case since 2017. But one could argue now that a 1SS 1LE with the A10 could be the perfect muscle/pony car. This has me thinking. Aside from the horrible Recaro seats, thats an awesome package with the A10 now.

The Recaro seats in the 1LE are the best seats in the segment


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[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Interesting take from someone who owns both. I hope my (soon to be arriving) ZL1 doesn't have any of those issues (bad luck maybe?) that your SS has had, much less that many quality issues. You might be the first Camaro SS owner I can recall to say the Mustang feels more sports-car like. Why do you think the Mustang feels more like a sports car than the Camaro? Is it the high revving DOHC engine that gives it that different feel?

I will say my 2012 Mustang GT (auto) while it's slower than our Camaros I will say it "feels" snappier off the line even though 0-60 is slower and in 1/4 mile. Maybe it's because the Camaro rides smoother it just doesn't feel it. I have an auto Camaro.



The Camaro for sure has tons better throttle response than Mustang. A big reason people tune their Mustangs is for better throttle response and less lag.


I can't imagine 4:10 gears in the Camaro, especially the auto. That would be too much to handle for these torquey engines. I could see more people wrecking them by punching the throttle too hard.

[Devstrike]

For me the Camaro had a better throttle response with their V8 and I liked how it took the corners. I test drove a LT1, 1SS and Mustang GT. The Mustang GT and 1SS did not have the track package however the Camaro was definitely the stronger and most confident on the curves. As far as power It felt like the Mustang didn't really kick in until 4-5k rpm range where the Camaro feels strong with the 6.2L well through the rpm range for the most part at least to me. Each vehicle I test drove was the auto due to my left leg I medically am unable to drive manuals anymore.

I also liked the looks of the Camaro better than the Mustang.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

For me the Camaro had a better throttle response with their V8 and I liked how it took the corners. I test drove a LT1, 1SS and Mustang GT. The Mustang GT and 1SS did not have the track package however the Camaro was definitely the stronger and most confident on the curves. As far as power It felt like the Mustang didn't really kick in until 4-5k rpm range where the Camaro feels strong with the 6.2L well through the rpm range for the most part at least to me. Each vehicle I test drove was the auto due to my left leg I medically am unable to drive manuals anymore.

I also liked the looks of the Camaro better than the Mustang.

Correct about the higher RPM range with the Mustang. I won't knock the GT though. A lot of youtube videos of the SS versus the GT, yes the SS is quicker at first BUT the Mustang catches up quickly once it gets to that 4-5k RPM and gains ground quick. There is a good video on youtube, can't find it but pretty much bone stock in real world conditions showing how the SS is quicker at first but the GT pulls hard once it gets going and eventually is a little quicker.


What I like about Mustangs is all the aftermarket mods for it and custom tunes and such. I love the C6 design over the Mustang though.


Now if we were comparing a 2012 Coyote to a 2012 SS I would take the Mustang and is a reason why I went with a Mustang in 2011. Better performance numbers and better design.


Hardly anyone drives the c6 SS or LT1 in this area of the state. It's mostly the c5 Camaro or a v6 6. I see very few SS and LT1 and ZL1 around here. I don't think I've ever seen an LT1 Camaro within 60 miles of me and only a couple ZL1s. My Silver SS really stands out. Like at the fleamarket at work I see guys looking at it lol and turning heads. Too bad I dont see hot chicks checking my car out. The newer Mustangs while the engine is great it greatly lacks in style.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

Correct about the higher RPM range with the Mustang. I won't knock the GT though. A lot of youtube videos of the SS versus the GT, yes the SS is quicker at first BUT the Mustang catches up quickly once it gets to that 4-5k RPM and gains ground quick. There is a good video on youtube, can't find it but pretty much bone stock in real world conditions showing how the SS is quicker at first but the GT pulls hard once it gets going and eventually is a little quicker.


What I like about Mustangs is all the aftermarket mods for it and custom tunes and such. I love the C6 design over the Mustang though.


Now if we were comparing a 2012 Coyote to a 2012 SS I would take the Mustang and is a reason why I went with a Mustang in 2011. Better performance numbers and better design.


Hardly anyone drives the c6 SS or LT1 in this area of the state. It's mostly the c5 Camaro or a v6 6. I see very few SS and LT1 and ZL1 around here. I don't think I've ever seen an LT1 Camaro within 60 miles of me and only a couple ZL1s. My Silver SS really stands out. Like at the fleamarket at work I see guys looking at it lol and turning heads. Too bad I dont see hot chicks checking my car out. The newer Mustangs while the engine is great it greatly lacks in style.

I never seen another LT1 in my area. Same for when i had a 2010 5.3 Colorado as i never saw another V8 Colorado. I see tons of Stangs and many V6 Camaros. Not many C6's or 7's.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by s346k

i think brand loyalty is born when you work on your own car beyond swapping wheels and tires. in my experience: it's rare to find people who pulled motors/transmissions, rebuilt engines/rear difs on their own and then go spread that out over several manufacturers (excluding purpose built swap cars). as such, apparently my blind, brand loyal enthusiasm does extend beyond the power train or i simply wouldn't have purchased an na 1LE car.

i disagree with very little of what you said, but i think you're trying to argue points that aren't present.

Maybe from coming into the car enthusiast thing from a different direction than most gives me a different perspective. I've always been more of a sports car guy, more into cornering and handling than engines and powertrains. As far as doing the work goes, maybe I'm one of your exceptions (I've done my share of the things you mentioned above). The details may differ, but the tasks themselves remain pretty much the same.

50+ years ago I could have easily become brand loyal, and if I had it would have been to Mopar. But life didn't turn out that way and I've never been loyal to any specific mfr. In our new car shopping, we've actively "jumped ship" at least twice over just one particular matter.


Norm

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Maybe from coming into the car enthusiast thing from a different direction than most gives me a different perspective. I've always been more of a sports car guy, more into cornering and handling than engines and powertrains. As far as doing the work goes, maybe I'm one of your exceptions (I've done my share of the things you mentioned above). The details may differ, but the tasks themselves remain pretty much the same.

50+ years ago I could have easily become brand loyal, and if I had it would have been to Mopar. But life didn't turn out that way and I've never been loyal to any specific mfr. In our new car shopping, we've actively "jumped ship" at least twice over just one particular matter.


Norm

You’ve been very objective in all your statements & responses. You’re a pretty cool dude.

I myself have never been brand loyal, per sé, from a young age I just happened to learn a lot about Chevy motors. Yet by the end of high school I had built a Pontiac 400 for myself & a Ford 429 for my now FiL. The only American engine I’ve never worked on is Mopars. Just never had the opportunity. So I understand your sentiment.

[s346k]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

50+ years ago I could have easily become brand loyal, and if I had it would have been to Mopar. But life didn't turn out that way and I've never been loyal to any specific mfr. In our new car shopping, we've actively "jumped ship" at least twice over just one particular matter.

im not sure if you've caught it, but i have made reference to the fact that i would not buy chevrolet for anything but a fun car. i suppose that is where my loyalty stops. i would not (otherwise) buy a chevrolet car, truck or suv if i was in the market. i have done so before, several times with used vehicles, but i certainly would not buy a new one from them unless it was a v8 performance oriented vehicle.

with that being said, i have at least one vehicle from each of the big 3, currently in my possession. if i was forced to buy a new daily right now i really don't know where id look. i want a bronco, but it's going to be awhile before they are available and proven.

[metros11]

This is an interesting thread for me. Primarily due to the fact that I ended up in a Camaro because of the Mustang. Let me back track a bit. I've always liked the 13/14 face lifted Mustangs, but the interior was just too dull and retro played out for me. When the 6th Gen Mustang came out in '15, I loved the styling, so this was going to be my first foray into American Muscle. I was never interested in the Camaro, Transformers and the Bumble Bee did absolutely nothing for me. However, I do have experience racing beaters on the track (Lemons, ChampCar/ChumpCar), so I definitely wanted something that was worthy of the occasional track day. So when it came time to actually look for a car, much like any committed enthusiast, I started doing a bit of research, which mainly focused on the Mustang. And that led me to this:
This one appears to be an actual video recording of someone's TV, but the original used to be on the MotorTrend YouTube channel.
With that came an epiphany, how is it that a 5th gen Camaro outperforms a 6th gen Mustang? Started looking at the 6th gen 1LE at that point, and considered the GT350 to a small degree, while not ruling out the Mustang GT, especially when PP2 was announced. Ultimately ended up test driving a 2018 Mustang GT PP1 and a 2018 Camaro 2SS on the same day, back to back, both with a manual. I did that to see if the refreshed Mustang with more power, or the Camaro's 'lack' of visibility and 'awkward' ergonomics would sway me to the Ford. They didn't, I was sold on the Camaro. But it wasn't just the excitement of the 1LE that ultimately put me in one, it was several factors:
- MT82, shift fork issues
- VooDoo oil burning issues
- Mustang's lack of cooling hardware for track duty
- Mustang's lack of warranty on the track
- Overall value and feature availability in the Camaro

So there you have it. I still like the Mustang, and if I were buying an auto convertible, the Mustang would likely win. But I didn't, it's been three years and I don't regret my decision one bit.

[Orange ss]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

You’ve been very objective in all your statements & responses. You’re a pretty cool dude.

I myself have never been brand loyal, per sé, from a young age I just happened to learn a lot about Chevy motors. Yet by the end of high school I had built a Pontiac 400 for myself & a Ford 429 for my now FiL. The only American engine I’ve never worked on is Mopars. Just never had the opportunity. So I understand your sentiment.

What car did have that Pontiac 400 engine in.
I been working on a 67 Lemans ..would be sweet to take out the 326 and have that bad boy .

[digitalfutur]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

I personally would choose the V6 over 2.0T if I am in that market, but the 2.0T was made to appeal to the tuner crowd: lower price and turbocharged engines are easier to squeeze power out of through a tune.

I'm not convinced that a turbo in a sports car will last as long as a normally aspirated motor. A turbo may be OK in a family car that isn't shifted at or close to redline often.

Plus the LGX, like the LT1, and unlike the LTG, follow the longevity rule: No more than 100hp per liter of displacement; just like almost all Lexus vehicles. One reason why Lexus has top-notch reliability. Tuning for performance eventually runs up against diminishing returns.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Orange ss

What car did have that Pontiac 400 engine in.
I been working on a 67 Lemans ..would be sweet to take out the 326 and have that bad boy .

I pulled it out of a 69, maybe 70, Catalina 4-door for an 80 Trans Am with a locked up 301. I know it was pre 72 because I had to put in hardened seats when I had the heads gone through.