2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

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Originally Posted by 07-SRT

NewMoon.... You are wasting your breath trying to convince people who look through rose colored glasses and bleed a certain manufacture. Doesn't matter if it's Dodge, Ford or GM. There is no convincing regardless of what data you provide. It ends up twisted and manipulated by them.

Look at the praise the GT350 has gotten on this forum and see if you can figure out the difference.

Was its that classy way the Ford faithful represent themselves verses the conquering hordes threatening to a@@ rape ZL1 owners while demanding immediate surrender to the Hellcat media blitz?

Perhaps it's Fords clean sheet design that shored up weaknesses while improving on strengths?

Could it be the carnival like Dodge marketing campaign with performance claims that equal cars with vastly better P2W while putting an embargo on actual results?

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Hellcat Charger: 4560 lb/707hp = 6.45 lb/hp; 54/46% distribution; 275/40X20s (rear)

2015 Z06/Z07: 3524lb/650hp = 5.42 lb/hp; near-50/50 distribution; 335/25X20 Sport Cups (rear)

Or was it Raplh Gilles chasing down a civilian CTS-V wagon owner on a track and then posting a kill video on YouTube?

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I guess the Hellcat is your car then as it beat the GT and 1LE at the Motown Mile. LOL

One layout that favors power over finesse. Gee, if you had them lap Talladega, what order do you suppose they'd finish?

I guess the balance is still missing because it is a Dodge and not for what it can and can't do.

700 hp, 4500 lb, and 275 tires is not the ideal recipe for "balance", is it? There is HUGE potential, but NOT as offered, OEM. FCA is counting on enthusiasts to finish the work they've only barely started to do. And that hodge-podge of potential mods will lead to a hodge-podge of results. The stellar results will be endlessly quoted, and the rest will be ignored by loyalists such as yourself.

If it lost 300 lb, and gained 305s all around with a fully competent and complementary suspension and brake package, they'd have something very special...that would then retail for more money than the Z/28. Catch-22.

"Good enough for a $60K Dodge" seems to have been their mantra. But there's so much more, potentially.

[96MrBass]

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Originally Posted by newmoon

The truth is that you are so blinded by your hate of the Hellcat you can’t see or think straight. You can’t believe that Dodge has built a faster car in every measurable way compared to your AARP endorsed Cadillac CTSV. By the way did you notice that the Hellcat Challenger happened to represent itself well at this event? Please take a look at some of the supposed track warriors which this Hellcat was faster than.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...he-motown-mile

This is your way of saying this car can handle ? It has a ton of straight aways on it which I'm quite sure is to it's advantage.

[rocket403]

Well the tank was faster than the 1LE and the GT I was just responding to your post about how bad the Challenger is at the track, and now you are back tracking it would not matter what numbers it posted.

[07-SRT]

HotlapZl1...... You missed my point. Example: People still argue with me about the performance of the Camaro LS3, 5.0 and 6.1 Hemi which I have owned and still own two (LS3. 6.1)
They know more about those cars than I do...lol. Again my point, regardless of the data or experience that proves otherwise, they still don't see it.

I can hear it now- The first hellcat owner to throw some DRs on and run 10.xx

*Must have been one hell of a DA
*Track must be downhill
*Hero run
*Factory Freak
*Driver mod
*Must be modded-pulley tune
*Still can't turn- bring it to a road course and let see how it does

Person looking through rose colored glasses car does the same
*Those magazine guys can't drive -my car is bada$$

[SilverCamaro30]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Look at the praise the GT350 has gotten on this forum and see if you can figure out the difference.

Was its that classy way the Ford faithful represent themselves verses the conquering hordes threatening to a@@ rape ZL1 owners while demanding immediate surrender to the Hellcat media blitz?

Perhaps it's Fords clean sheet design that shored up weaknesses while improving on strengths?

Could it be the carnival like Dodge marketing campaign with performance claims that equal cars with vastly better P2W while putting an embargo on actual results?Or was it Raplh Gilles chasing down a civilian CTS-V wagon owner on a track and then posting a kill video on YouTube?

He didn't post a "kill video" look at his YouTube he puts up videos everytime he goes to the track

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I'm curious as to why there has not been any Hot Lap videos of Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca? VIR? Gingerman? Willow Springs? With as much hype the Hellcat has built, you would think that they would have a day and time far reserved for the future with its closest competitors. When the ZL1 and GT500 came out, they were quick to put them two together on the track and let them battle it out.

I get it, it is a straight line car (the same said about the GT500), but they also say it is the best handling SRT. Well put it against repetitive cars on some well-known tracks and lets see what it can do.

Why is it that all the reviews of the Hellcat are of it BY itself with very limited track talk?

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Originally Posted by 96MrBass

This is your way of saying this car can handle ? It has a ton of straight always on it which I'm quite sure is to it's advantage.

And the two cars that are its competitor still came out on top. Add in more track result so we can build an average.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Loading.....

I'm curious as to why there has not been any Hot Lap videos of Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca? VIR? Gingerman? Willow Springs? With as much hype the Hellcat has built, you would think that they would have a day and time far reserved for the future with its closest competitors. When the ZL1 and GT500 came out, they were quick to put them two together on the track and let them battle it out.

I get it, it is a straight line car (the same said about the GT500), but they also say it is the best handling SRT. Well put it against repetitive cars on some well-known tracks and lets see what it can do.

Why is it that all the reviews of the Hellcat are of it BY itself with very limited track talk?

According to SRT sources, that honor belongs to the Scat Pack. And they'd like to see the T/A concept green flagged.

As to non-comparo scenarios, this is the most tightly-controlled roll-out in a very long time. Only FCA can answer as to why.

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Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

According to SRT sources, that honor belongs to the Scat Pack. And they'd like to see the T/A concept green flagged.

But the Scat Pack came in dead last when compared to the 1LE and new Mustang GT w/ PP on a road course (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._gt/specs.html). And the T/A Concept really didn't have anything that would make it handle greatly better than the competition.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Loading.....

But the Scat Pack came in dead last when compared to the 1LE and new Mustang GT w/ PP on a road course (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._gt/specs.html). And the T/A Concept really didn't have anything that would make it handle greatly better than the competition.

Scat Pack is their "best balanced", in their minds. It's spotting 222hp and almost 300 lb. to the Hellcat, which then offers a quicker lap time but, again, that doesn't make the Hellcat an optimum road racer.

The T/A concept, as shown, is more of a styling exercise and parts peddler (so far). The full capabilities of suspension-brake-tire possibilities have yet to be completed, and is ongoing.

BTW, an interesting thought: What if Chrysler had only offered the Street Hemi in a New Yorker? Preposterous?

A '69 New Yorker with a 440 weighed LESS than a Charger Hellcat.

Perspective.

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Originally Posted by newmoon

The truth is that you are so blinded by your hate of the Hellcat you can’t see or think straight. You can’t believe that Dodge has built a faster car in every measurable way compared to your AARP endorsed Cadillac CTSV. By the way did you notice that the Hellcat Challenger happened to represent itself well at this event? Please take a look at some of the supposed track warriors which this Hellcat was faster than.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...he-motown-mile

Same old antics. I'm 34. Bought the V new at age 32. Care to share with us your age and what you currently drive? Is the Hellcat faster around a track than the V? Show me.

That "event" is held on a concrete airport runway. I hope to God on a runway, the Hellcat could at least keep up with a 1LE with 300 less HP.

Originally Posted by Loading.....

I'm curious as to why there has not been any Hot Lap videos of Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca? VIR? Gingerman? Willow Springs? With as much hype the Hellcat has built, you would think that they would have a day and time far reserved for the future with its closest competitors. When the ZL1 and GT500 came out, they were quick to put them two together on the track and let them battle it out.

I get it, it is a straight line car (the same said about the GT500), but they also say it is the best handling SRT. Well put it against repetitive cars on some well-known tracks and lets see what it can do.

Why is it that all the reviews of the Hellcat are of it BY itself with very limited track talk?

This is what newmoon, rocket 403 conveniently ignore. Where are the hotlaps? Best handling? Let's see it. It fails to live up to its marketed 11.2 ET by every single reviewer that's tested it. Let's see it on a track with a 1LE, ZL1, Boss, GT500, Z/28.

[Alain]

This dude ^ is funny.

More importantly what is this T/A concept I'm hearing about?

[Alain]

Never mind. Just saw and read about it. The seats in it are pretty sweet. Liking the two open head lights as opposed to just one.

I wish a car company had the balls to offer cut outs as an option. Lolol. Actually, I'm sure they would love to but good ol'uncle Sam won't allow it.