2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[rocket403]

Nice article on the 392

[Njtony]

Originally Posted by rocket403

GT 500 has a problem putting all it's power to the ground over powered it's body and rear suspension.

Hellcat has a better rear suspension we will need to see how that plays out

The Shelby's problem is not suspension. It's a combination of traction problems due to the stock goodyears and the computer clutch protection causing launch issues. With a tune and drag radials only I have run a 10.9@128 with a 13 gt500. The stock cars are hobbled by ford.

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by newmoon

hich I bet will put rwhp very near to the LS7 never mind the LS3.

Funny you should mention LS7. Ive been wondering something since ive seen R&T 1/4 mile specs of the Z28.

That car went 12.5@115mph with a LS7 that put down 450rwhp. Its a 3800lb car.

Now take a 392 challenger thats "only" making 470hp @ 4200lbs and its running damn near what the Z28 is. I know of plenty 12.3-12.5's @ 114ish out of bone stock 392's. How in the world is that car matching the Z28's times down 35hp and UP 400lbs??? Thats crazy.

Whats even more crazy is that with the new 8spd auto Dodge is advertising the 392 as a LOW 12 sec car where as with the old 5spd they advertised it as a high 12 sec car. Now this thing is in ZL1 territory as far as the drag strip goes. All while beeing down 100hp. Is Dodge just under rating those motors that much??

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by 2013 RaceRed 5.0

It's lbs/hp, that's what determines how a car runs.

Not all the time.

Take the GTR for example. Its a 4000lb car and its much faster than its power to weight ratio would lead you to believe.

Drivetrain efficiency is very important. That dct does wonders for that car.

Also like i just mentioned, the 392. With the 8spd auto it will be much quicker than the Z28 even though its down hp and weighs 400lbs more.


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[big hammer]

Originally Posted by AEP11

Funny you should mention LS7. Ive been wondering something since ive seen R&T 1/4 mile specs of the Z28.

That car went 12.5@115mph with a LS7 that put down 450rwhp. Its a 3800lb car.

Now take a 392 challenger thats "only" making 470hp @ 4200lbs and its running damn near what the Z28 is. I know of plenty 12.3-12.5's @ 114ish out of bone stock 392's. How in the world is that car matching the Z28's times down 35hp and UP 400lbs??? Thats crazy.

Whats even more crazy is that with the new 8spd auto Dodge is advertising the 392 as a LOW 12 sec car where as with the old 5spd they advertised it as a high 12 sec car. Now this thing is in ZL1 territory as far as the drag strip goes. All while beeing down 100hp. Is Dodge just under rating those motors that much??

you seem to be cherry picking your times. other mags have gotten low 12's at 117 out of the z\28. this is already faster than the 392's hero runs. a z\28 will likely run 11's @ 120 with the right driver and conditions.

[rocket403]

392 are running 12.5 stock add a tune and a tire and high 11's are very possible, good drivers are getting 12.3 out of them stock, with the addition of the 15hp and 8 sp trans 12.2, that is very close to the ZL1 1/4 mile time, the Hellcat is going to be faster than the Camaro in the 1/4 even it only has 600hp, Mustang will be a better race, we will need to wait until numbers are known to have a better idea.

[joeybsyc]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

They must not teach good math in Canada. That sticker says $19000. If we add $6,000 to reflect Canadian pricing that brings the total to $25,000 Canadian, NOT $32,000.

Exactly. Not to mention that example is of a loaded car with over $5000.00 in options over a $14,145 base price.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by AEP11

Funny you should mention LS7. Ive been wondering something since ive seen R&T 1/4 mile specs of the Z28.

That car went 12.5@115mph with a LS7 that put down 450rwhp. Its a 3800lb car.

Now take a 392 challenger thats "only" making 470hp @ 4200lbs and its running damn near what the Z28 is. I know of plenty 12.3-12.5's @ 114ish out of bone stock 392's. How in the world is that car matching the Z28's times down 35hp and UP 400lbs??? Thats crazy.

Whats even more crazy is that with the new 8spd auto Dodge is advertising the 392 as a LOW 12 sec car where as with the old 5spd they advertised it as a high 12 sec car. Now this thing is in ZL1 territory as far as the drag strip goes. All while beeing down 100hp. Is Dodge just under rating those motors that much??

Road & Track
ZL1: 12.1 @ 119mph Link
Z/28: 12.2 @ 118mph Link
SRT8: 13.0 @ 109mph Link

The Z/28 is not designed for the drag strip but it is still in another league vs the current 392.

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Road & Track

ZL1: 12.1 @ 119mph Link

Z/28: 12.2 @ 118mph Link

SRT8: 13.0 @ 109mph Link



The Z/28 is not designed for the drag strip but it is still in another league vs the current 392.

The latest test with the Z28 vs the world from r&t has the Z28 going 12.5@115.9. Basically 116.

Im not about to search the interwebz for all the links of 392 times but i know 12.3-12.5's & 110-114 is not a rare occurrence.

Sorry but thats not in another league, at least not when speaking of 1/4 mile performance.

Which car is faster wasnt my point. My point was they're close. Way closer than you would think when looking at their power to weight ratios. 400lbs is A LOT. Thats no less than 4 tenth's just off of weight, then you have to take into account of the 393 being down 35hp.


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[big hammer]

114 is a hero run for a 392. 116 is a poor random mag time for a z\28. a 392 hasn't come close to 118 stock. they run good but not z\28 good.

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by joeybsyc

Exactly. Not to mention that example is of a loaded car with over $5000.00 in options over a $14,145 base price.

I picked up a very well equiped 1990 notchback LX 5.0L for 13995$ the LX was the car to get if you were getting the Mustang back in 88-93 they were the fast cars only car they could not take was the GN, the IrocZ was slower but I thought it had better lines. I wanted a 350 car with T-tops this car was in the high 20's with tax they were in the 30's I'm sure there are some Canadian owners here that would be able to produce a window sticker that could be used as a ref I can supply the 5.0L as that is the car that I ended up with. In 1992 I picked up a 5.0L LX notchback almost Loaded for 17995$ the difference between a 350 Camaro and a LX Notchback was quite large. I wanted a car with a lot of options did not want a base car in Mustang or Camaro.

[rocket403]

SRT at 13.0 well here is one bit faster than that

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by AEP11

Im not about to search the interwebz for all the links of 392 times but i know 12.3-12.5's & 110-114 is not a rare occurrence.

Except that it IS a rare occurrence. This is the user generated "fast list" from http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...-sticky-63213/

Notice there are all of 6 people who have achieved sub-12.6 times. Out of the tens of thousands of 392 Challengers roaming the streets, 6 have posted times in this range. Notice how most of these times are 12.6 or higher? In fact, the average time from the average driver at Challengertalk is 12.98 @ 109.4mph which makes it a high 12's car.

SRT8Tech 12.253@113.86 1.907 60' 392 A5 stock
Capo 12.395@12.395 1.906 60' 392 A5 Stock
newmoon 12.464@112.00 1.929 60' 392 A5 stock (Error on MPH on time slip)
KyHemiRT 12.517@110.84 1.849 60' 392 A5 stock
SparkChicken 12.566@111.76 1.913 60' 392 A5 stock
Kakdiesel1 12.593@113.71 2.070 60' 392 A5 stock
Flying Dutchman 12.630@111.92 2.033 60' A5 stock
bskylerj 12.650@110.44 1.904 60' 392 A5 stock
555ss 12.685@109.16 1.878 60' 392 M6 Stock
DonP 12.696@110.06 1.912 60' 392 A5 stock
Red Barron 12.744@109.92 2.021 60' M6 Stock
hemi420 12.769@113.35 1.933 60' 392 M6 stock
MrBohica 12.789@115.09 2.1011 60' 392 stock
CrankCase 12.805@109.05 2.007 60' M6 stock
rayzazoo 12.847@109.89 1.976 60' 392 A5 stock
GodsRodsHEMI 12.911@110.33 2.059 60' 392 A5 stock
Hoopester 12.974@112.09 2.059 60' 392 M6 stock
Madcoder 13.013@107.22 2.174 60' 392 A5 stock
Whisky Tango Foxtrot! 13.093@109.31 2.121 60' 392 M6 Stock
Mayra 13.220@107.30 2.161 60' 392 A5 stock
Litos 13.268@106.58 2.119 60' 392 A5 stock
rmeaux 13.320@108.56 2.228 60' 392 M6 stock
SRT8PWR 13.393@108.47 2.272 60' 392 M6 Stock
kwoolums67 13.709@102.79 2.079 60' 392 Stock
AZZKIKR 13.730@102.62 2.146 60' M6 382 Stock
B5Classic 14.350@102.00 2.454 60' 392 M6 Stock

Originally Posted by AEP11

Sorry but thats not in another league, at least not when speaking of 1/4 mile performance.

Above you can see the average Joe times from the 392 Challenger. Let's compare that to what magazine reviews achieved.

C&D: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.9 1/4mile at 114mph, 4203lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 4.6, 13.0 1/4mile at 111.3mph, 4260lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.7, 12.9 1/4mile at 111.0mph, 4257lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.6 1/4mile at 112.1mph, 4257lbs

This gives us an average of 0-60 in 4.6; 12.85 @ 112.1 mph for the 392 Challenger.

So to recap...
Average fast time 392 owners: 12.98 @ 109.4 mph
Average fast time 392 magazines: 12.85 @ 112.1 mph

Now lets look at the Z/28 reviews.

Car&Driver: 0-60: 4.4 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.7 @ 116mph
MotorTrend: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 117.2mph
Road&Track: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 118mph
Automobile: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 117mph

This gives us an average of 0-60 in 4.1; 12.38 @ 117.0 mph for the Z/28.

Let me put these side by side so you can see why these cars are not in the same league. Keep in mind, the Z/28 is NOT built for drag racing.

SRT8: 0-60 in 4.6; 12.85 @ 112.1 mph
Z/28: 0-60 in 4.1; 12.38 @ 117.0 mph

Originally Posted by AEP11

Which car is faster wasnt my point. My point was they're close. Way closer than you would think when looking at their power to weight ratios. 400lbs is A LOT. Thats no less than 4 tenth's just off of weight, then you have to take into account of the 393 being down 35hp.

But they're NOT close at all. The biggest difference between these cars is the Challenger's weight, not power, as the 392 is making excellent power.

Z/28 Dyno: 455hp/420ft-lbs
SRT8 Dyno: 452hp/443ft-lbs

Originally Posted by rocket403

SRT at 13.0 well here is one bit faster than that

That video is SRT8Tech's run. What you can't see is his drag radials and stripped interior

Sure, there are a handful of hero times by good drivers out there for ALL cars.

Mustang 5.0 bone stock
Pure Stock---------------- 1.89 - 12.22 @ 115.18
SicShelby09 ---------------1.76 - 12.51 @ 111
mrfiveoh-------------------1.97 - 12.57 @ 112.49

Camaro SS bone stock
nhra stocker---------------1.97 - 12.588 @ 110.30
2quik----------------------1.95 - 12.615 @ 111.60
blufin----------------------1.93 - 12.618 @ 110.75

ZL1 bone stock
BADASSBU-----------------1.82 - 11.717 @ 117.61
tnspd----------------------1.79 - 11.763 @ 118.76
Lake End-------------------2.03 - 11.988 @ 120.42

These are certainly NOT average.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Did anyone find this 10,000 delta? Canadian or US Dollar.