Has anyone driven a gt350? - Page 8

activepat · 10-10-2016, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WhyUMad1LE

It is $66k with air conditioning and very difficult to obtain without a markup since only a couple hundred are produced a year.

My bad. I didn't take note it was an "R".

ST1LE · 10-10-2016, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SS 1LE

I was invited to drive a few of them months ago at Sebring. I have owned multiple Mustangs over the years, and got the invite from Ford. I like the car a lot, the engine is awesome, it sounds sick, but I ordered a SS 1LE. The GT350 is too much coin, even IF you can get one at msrp, and the Grand Sport for a few grand more beats it on track. I thought about a GT350 with a track pack, or should I say "base" 2017, but again, the SS 1LE will most likely at least match it's performance for some $12,000+ less. But to knock the engine as a car guy is just stupid...

Perfectly said! Would not spend $55K+ on a Mustang, but that is an awesome engine none the less!

ST1LE · 10-10-2016, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KenH.

But the performance is on par with an SS.

How much faster is the GT350 0-60? How about 0-100? Lap times around the track?

They are on par. Neither one beats the other hands down in all areas though I concede all things considered the mustang is the overall winner for a measly $20k more.

The broader power band is a gimmick. Sorry. When it's time to drive fast your engine lives in a 2500rpm range between gears.... or do you shift early and often so you can get some of those good torque numbers from the lower rev range into your drag race, or lay down some of that good 4000rpm torque at the apex of the corner?

I'm not saying it's a bad car, but the hype over this engine is just hot air. Being unique, or special to someone, does not make it any better. It doesn't make the car perform any better than it's OHV competition. Different, yes, better, no.

Name one place this engine gives a clear performance benefit to the mustang. One place where you can say "man if the camaro had an fpc it could do this so much better!"

You can't say it performs on par with an SS and then ask what the 0-60, 0-100, and lap times are. What are you basing your statement on?

KenH. · 10-10-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ST1LE

You can't say it performs on par with an SS and then ask what the 0-60, 0-100, and lap times are. What are you basing your statement on?

I was asking those questions rhetorically.

0-60 camaro wins
0-100 camaro wins
80-170 mustang wins
lap times mustang wins

For the purposes of talking performance/instrumented testing the cars are close in all areas with the overall win going to the gt350.

I can understand someone absolutely loving how the fpc revs and sounds and performs. What I disagree with is people saying the engine, personal preference aside, is so much better than the LT when it's not. They are apples and oranges that come across the line pretty close to each other.

GM has done a fantastic job pulling all those ponies out of an OHV engine, Ford has done a fantastic job over-engineering something to compete with it.

ender2664 · 10-10-2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KenH.

I'm not saying it's a bad car, but the hype over this engine is just hot air. Being unique, or special to someone, does not make it any better. It doesn't make the car perform any better than it's OHV competition. Different, yes, better, no.

True story

ST1LE · 10-10-2016, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KenH.

I was asking those questions rhetorically.

0-60 camaro wins
0-100 camaro wins
80-170 mustang wins
lap times mustang wins

For the purposes of talking performance/instrumented testing the cars are close in all areas with the overall win going to the gt350.

I can understand someone absolutely loving how the fpc revs and sounds and performs. What I disagree with is people saying the engine, personal preference aside, is so much better than the LT when it's not. They are apples and oranges that come across the line pretty close to each other.

GM has done a fantastic job pulling all those ponies out of an OHV engine, Ford has done a fantastic job over-engineering something to compete with it.

Okay gotcha, that make sense. Thanks for your reply!

ST1LE · 10-10-2016, 03:18 PM

I do think it is a little early to make such comparisons when it comes to track prowess, we just don't have enough data yet(need more times on more tracks). I think that the advantages the Camaro and the Alpha platform have, might be overstating the capability of the LT1 itself when compared to the Voodoo. I admit, I could be wrong and time will tell for sure.

In the end of the day, as people have echoed, the Voodoo is great but not as great as the price difference would suggest. If I could build/create a track a car, I would have GM engineer the chassis, and have Ford drop in the Voodoo. Pretty sure I just put a hefty price on my head for such blasphemy!

SpeedIsLife · 10-10-2016, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ender2664

While Chevy is pushing the envelope of what an OHV engine can do, Ford is laying back on what a FP can easily do. The LT1 and 4 are special because they are the best OHV engines made, the voodoo is not special .

KenH. · 10-10-2016, 03:40 PM

Most certainly the alpha platform is what keeps the racing as close as it is when there is over a 70hp gap.

Yeah it does seem silly to put all that engineering into the GT350 for such a limited production. It would be nice to get more head to head data on the GT350 and 1LE/ZL1.

ST1LE · 10-10-2016, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KenH.

Most certainly the alpha platform is what keeps the racing as close as it is when there is over a 70hp gap.

Yeah it does seem silly to put all that engineering into the GT350 for such a limited production. It would be nice to get more head to head data on the GT350 and 1LE/ZL1.

I think a lot of that GT350 stuff will trickle down, sideways, and up to other models, so they will recoup later on down the road. They will have a CPC version of the Voodoo for example. What they learned from the GT350 will also likely trickle down in part to the refreshed GT PP.

They are selling GT350's faster than they can make them though, so whatever they are doing it is working for some buyers.

Thor142 · 10-10-2016, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KenH.

The broader power band is a gimmick. Sorry. When it's time to drive fast your engine lives in a 2500rpm range between gears.... or do you shift early and often so you can get some of those good torque numbers from the lower rev range into your drag race, or lay down some of that good 4000rpm torque at the apex of the corner?

Do you track your car? I mean on a road coarse?

13vertss · 10-10-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ST1LE

They are selling GT350's faster than they can make them though, so whatever they are doing it is working for some buyers.

This is not true. Go on cars.com and see how many gt350's are sitting on lots. There considered sold by Ford when the dealer orders them, but many are sitting on lots.

ST1LE · 10-10-2016, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

This is not true. Go on cars.com and see how many gt350's are sitting on lots. There considered sold by Ford when the dealer orders them, but many are sitting on lots.

True, I just don't want to muddle the true demand for GT350's with cars sitting on lots because dealers are greedy and ask for ADM after advertising for MSRP.

I am on the other site a bit too, and there are many threads of people wanting to buy and just tired of the ADM game.

Mustang Fanboy · 10-10-2016, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KenH.

I was asking those questions rhetorically.

0-60 camaro wins
0-100 camaro wins
80-170 mustang wins
lap times mustang wins

For the purposes of talking performance/instrumented testing the cars are close in all areas with the overall win going to the gt350.

I can understand someone absolutely loving how the fpc revs and sounds and performs. What I disagree with is people saying the engine, personal preference aside, is so much better than the LT when it's not. They are apples and oranges that come across the line pretty close to each other.

GM has done a fantastic job pulling all those ponies out of an OHV engine, Ford has done a fantastic job over-engineering something to compete with it.

You may want to check your numbers there chief. The GT350 bests the SS in nearly every single one of those categories with the exception of the 0-60, which is entirely a result of gearing (the GT350 is geared for the track after all). By the time you get to 150mph, the GT350 is several seconds ahead. The 119mph trap speed of the GT350 shows you how capable it is.

The Voodoo engine pushes out over 70hp with 1.8l less displacement than the LT, yet it isn't significantly better than the LT? It does so without direct injection to boot. I don't know what world you're living in, but to me...70hp is friggen huge. No disrespect to the LT, but at least give credit where it's due. Any one of you would give their left nut for the LT to produce an extra 70hp NA direct from GM. Many would then praise it's engineering marvel.

Ford didn't just "compete" with the LT engine. It kicked it's proverbial ass.

10-10-2016, 03:18 PM	#105
ST1LE Drives: E92 BMW M3 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 4,496	I do think it is a little early to make such comparisons when it comes to track prowess, we just don't have enough data yet(need more times on more tracks). I think that the advantages the Camaro and the Alpha platform have, might be overstating the capability of the LT1 itself when compared to the Voodoo. I admit, I could be wrong and time will tell for sure. In the end of the day, as people have echoed, the Voodoo is great but not as great as the price difference would suggest. If I could build/create a track a car, I would have GM engineer the chassis, and have Ford drop in the Voodoo. Pretty sure I just put a hefty price on my head for such blasphemy! __________________ SOLD - 2013 1LE - Pat G Spec'd Cam, NPP with 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers with High Flow Cats, Intake w/scoop, Ported Throttle Body, and Apex 1.25" Lowering Springs. J-Rod Built and Matt@FSP Tuned

10-10-2016, 03:40 PM	#107
KenH. Drives: 2016 2SS M6 NPP MRC Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Graham, NC Posts: 190	Most certainly the alpha platform is what keeps the racing as close as it is when there is over a 70hp gap. Yeah it does seem silly to put all that engineering into the GT350 for such a limited production. It would be nice to get more head to head data on the GT350 and 1LE/ZL1.