GM Lawsuit & C6 Z06

i2disturbedSS · 10-17-2015, 11:27 AM

Seen this the other day but didn't think any of it. I'm not on any Corvette forums so this is news to me. Just read it and this lawsuit could snow ball to the current C7. I see it dragging over some years though.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...it-against-gm/

Denis · 10-19-2015, 11:57 AM

hmmm...im curious to know if that will really end up going anywhere.

motorhead · 10-19-2015, 12:12 PM

Why do we live in a world of junk anymore? Not just GM it's everywhere in damn near every product, and yet we keep putting up with it. It takes threats of lawsuits get somewhere ,and that usually doesn't get people fully compensated. Welcome to the new corporate business model. I wonder how many Gen5 Camaros or any other car for that matter will be as reliable as my dad's 57 Olds.

Denis · 10-19-2015, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

Why do we live in a world of junk anymore? Not just GM it's everywhere in damn near every product, and yet we keep putting up with it. It takes threats of lawsuits get somewhere ,and that usually doesn't get people fully compensated. Welcome to the new corporate business model. I wonder how many Gen5 Camaros or any other car for that matter will be as reliable as my dad's 57 Olds.

the beauty of that Olds is it was so much simpler. Fuel, air, spark and that thing would run.

motorhead · 10-19-2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Denis

the beauty of that Olds is it was so much simpler. Fuel, air, spark and that thing would run.

You need to look up a 57 Olds with a J2 engine sometime. Not exactly simple. Three deuces can be much harder to set up then a fuel injected motor where you down load a program and let the computer do the rest. They could build quality if they wanted to. Quality hurts corporate profits. Just make it good enough to get past the warranty seems to be the new way. It's just like the shocks in our ZL1s not lasting. They just tell you thats normal while you are expected to shell out thousands for new ones. I guess GM figured they couldn't build good enough to get past their warranty so they lowered it.

Dizzy82 · 10-19-2015, 06:34 PM

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GM blames bad gas and improperly broken in engines, recommending that owners change their oil at 500 miles to hopefully ensure sure their engines don't experience the same problems.

I wonder if GM can stand behind this. What is their "proper" break-in method since there is such a strong debate behind breaking-in "hard" or "soft". Does the manual (which we all know nobody reads) state to change the oil at 500?

GretchenGotGrowl · 10-19-2015, 07:00 PM

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I wonder if GM can stand behind this. What is their "proper" break-in method since there is such a strong debate behind breaking-in "hard" or "soft". Does the manual (which we all know nobody reads) state to change the oil at 500?

Yes it does. GM also gave buyers an additional free oil change to cover it and my dealer made sure to point it out when I picked it up.

Denis · 10-20-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

You need to look up a 57 Olds with a J2 engine sometime. Not exactly simple. Three deuces can be much harder to set up then a fuel injected motor where you down load a program and let the computer do the rest. They could build quality if they wanted to. Quality hurts corporate profits. Just make it good enough to get past the warranty seems to be the new way. It's just like the shocks in our ZL1s not lasting. They just tell you thats normal while you are expected to shell out thousands for new ones. I guess GM figured they couldn't build good enough to get past their warranty so they lowered it.

oh damn, didn't realize it had 3 two barrels on top haha. I imagine that was not fun to set up.

i2disturbedSS · 10-20-2015, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

Why do we live in a world of junk anymore? Not just GM it's everywhere in damn near every product, and yet we keep putting up with it. It takes threats of lawsuits get somewhere ,and that usually doesn't get people fully compensated. Welcome to the new corporate business model. I wonder how many Gen5 Camaros or any other car for that matter will be as reliable as my dad's 57 Olds.

I do hear, "They don't make them like they used to do". I see that myself in American products. Around the WW2 era and a little after they actually made things to last forever. Cars to kids toys.

motorhead · 10-20-2015, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Denis

oh damn, didn't realize it HAS 3 two barrels on top haha. I imagine that was not fun to set up.

has not had brother. It still here live and well and everything works.

trademaster · 10-20-2015, 11:42 PM

I'm on my second and one of my buddies is on his third LS7. It is a very common problem and the failure is frequently catastrophic. It seems to be a lot more of an issue among tracked cars, but it is still very annoying. Mine got covered under warranty no questions asked, which was great and I commend Chevy for that. It was a big consideration for me when I was looking at the C7 z06 and with the overheating issues already apparent, I won't be buying one. A competitor will get my money.

Drumminxx · 10-21-2015, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by trademaster

I'm on my second and one of my buddies is on his third LS7. It is a very common problem and the failure is frequently catastrophic. It seems to be a lot more of an issue among tracked cars, but it is still very annoying. Mine got covered under warranty no questions asked, which was great and I commend Chevy for that. It was a big consideration for me when I was looking at the C7 z06 and with the overheating issues already apparent, I won't be buying one. A competitor will get my money.

I had my heart set on getting my first vette next year and it was going to be a new c7 z06 but after what I have been reading about over the past few weeks I don't know anymore. I hope they get these problems worked out...it is depressing...

trademaster · 10-21-2015, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drumminxx

I had my heart set on getting my first vette next year and it was going to be a new c7 z06 but after what I have been reading about over the past few weeks I don't know anymore. I hope they get these problems worked out...it is depressing...

I don't think the current Z06 problems are all that big of a deal, but it's hard to swallow spending over $100,000 on a car that is so engine-focused when they are having engine problems. I'll probably get the Mercedes instead. It's really too bad because when functioning properly the C7 Z06 is one incredible machine. I just would feel like there is a big, "but" to that purchase and for that kind of money that's not okay.

ITRIEDEL · 10-30-2015, 09:41 AM

It's the first generation LT-4. In 2007 the GT500's had clutch issues, the GTR's were grenading transmissions, the 6.1 Liters in the SRT-8's were overheating... The whole

"Don't buy the first year"

Wasn't some made up proverb for laughs...

This all being said, I'll probably look at the 2016 CTS-V. I trust the boys at Cadillac especially since the internal competition between Cadillac and Corvette have been heating up over the years.

10-17-2015, 11:27 AM	#1
i2disturbedSS Drives: 2010 SS L99 IOM Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: CA Posts: 1,923	GM Lawsuit & C6 Z06 Seen this the other day but didn't think any of it. I'm not on any Corvette forums so this is news to me. Just read it and this lawsuit could snow ball to the current C7. I see it dragging over some years though. http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...it-against-gm/ __________________ 369rwhp/392rwtq "Spending money I don't have, to buy parts I don't need, to impress people I don't know!" -Jenkins

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Denis Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Yorktown Heights, NY Posts: 7,695 View My Garage	hmmm...im curious to know if that will really end up going anywhere. __________________

10-30-2015, 09:41 AM	#14
ITRIEDEL Drives: 2013 CTS-V Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Corpus Christi Posts: 40	It's the first generation LT-4. In 2007 the GT500's had clutch issues, the GTR's were grenading transmissions, the 6.1 Liters in the SRT-8's were overheating... The whole "Don't buy the first year" Wasn't some made up proverb for laughs... This all being said, I'll probably look at the 2016 CTS-V. I trust the boys at Cadillac especially since the internal competition between Cadillac and Corvette have been heating up over the years. __________________ Now: 2013 CTS-V Previous: 2014 Camaro 2SS 1LE 2012 Mustang GT 5.0 (bolt-ons) 2003 Nissan SER Spec-V 2008 Highland Green Bullitt 1994 Cobra 70mm Turbo (571rwhp) 1996 Mustang 2003 Mustang GT (bolt-ons) 1991 DSM FWD (2g hybrid) 1975 Chevrolet Camaro 1991 Corvette 1974 Chevrolet Nova

10-19-2015, 12:12 PM	#3
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,849	Why do we live in a world of junk anymore? Not just GM it's everywhere in damn near every product, and yet we keep putting up with it. It takes threats of lawsuits get somewhere ,and that usually doesn't get people fully compensated. Welcome to the new corporate business model. I wonder how many Gen5 Camaros or any other car for that matter will be as reliable as my dad's 57 Olds.

10-20-2015, 11:42 PM	#11
trademaster Drives: 12 MP4-12C, 16 Quattroporte Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Working Posts: 707	I'm on my second and one of my buddies is on his third LS7. It is a very common problem and the failure is frequently catastrophic. It seems to be a lot more of an issue among tracked cars, but it is still very annoying. Mine got covered under warranty no questions asked, which was great and I commend Chevy for that. It was a big consideration for me when I was looking at the C7 z06 and with the overheating issues already apparent, I won't be buying one. A competitor will get my money.