Coyote guys make me laugh.......... LOL.

[essess]

A ghost cam tune will never match the sound of an ls motor with a cam, i think we can all agree on that. But dont think people in here arent guilty of a *tiny* bit of ricer logic when i see so many cam topics that ask "what cam should i get for bla bla, and i want a nice lumpy idle". A lumpy sounding cam should not be a priority in choice

[xnuyokr]

THIS......

Originally Posted by Camarotobeornottobe

Stupid thread. I came from the Mustang world, and that ghost cam is pretty cool. There are a 1000 things all of us do to our cars, and about 900 of them add no power.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by essess

A ghost cam tune will never match the sound of an ls motor with a cam, i think we can all agree on that. But dont think people in here arent guilty of a *tiny* bit of ricer logic when i see so many cam topics that ask "what cam should i get for bla bla, and i want a nice lumpy idle". A lumpy sounding cam should not be a priority in choice

Indeed, I have no problem with someone that wants to do anything to their car. After all, it's their car. For me it just doesn't make any sense to screw up the efficiency of a motor to try to make it sound better. I must be from a different tim . We were more concerned about building power. Back in those days, good sound was a by product of that. If these ghost tune guys ever really payed attention to a very well built, well tuned, highly modified motor, they would be going back to a stock tune or dropping the coin for the real deal.

[vnxcvh]

Yet a full bolt on 5.0 is competition for a full bolt on AND cammed SS.

[2010reddevil]

Originally Posted by vnxcvh

Yet a full bolt on 5.0 is competition for a full bolt on AND cammed SS.

Only because of weight and gearing. Anyone who knows anything about these cars will attest to this. I've owned Mustangs, driven several Coyotes and know the capabilities of both platforms quite well. The Mustang is lighter and easier to hook/launch at the track, this is a given. However, on the street or roll, the ball rolls out on who truly has more power. I'll be running my buddies Mustang that has every bolt-on there is to see how I fare against him.

[ZYBORG]

Originally Posted by 2010reddevil

They can be some of the worst domestic ricers ever. The most common place thing is the stupid "ghost cam" tune. I mean really, everyone makes fun of people who have a fake BOV or CO2 instead of nitrous. I just don't see the point of being a damn poser like that. If your car is gonna thump, it better damn well make the power to back it up. Playing with the LSA on the TiVCT settings is the only thing causing this "lope".

/End rant


PS, it just drives nuts that some idiots actually think that they gain power like what we do with an actual cam swap. SMH!!

I was with you 100% until you stereotyped every stang owner together, especially when so many camaro owners are much worse with the whole "rice" situation. Its in every car group.

Originally Posted by Synyster

Yet a full bolt on 5.0 is competition for a full bolt on AND cammed SS.

Thats only if the camaro has a mediocre set up.

Originally Posted by USAFS197

For what it's worth, the tune itself does add power. Granted we aren't talking about the kind of power a cam can add but, power nonetheless.

There is no power difference between a "ghost cam tune" and a regular tune. Ghost cam tune is pretty homo. It is as bad as the dudes that add fake badges to their car.

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

So, how do you feel about axle-back exhaust. That's all about the sound and not power. Still ricer?

The difference is that the ghost cam tune is pretending / possing like you have something that its not there. The catback just extracts / amplifies the sound that the motor puts out and is already there. In some situations catback offers some power gains too.

Originally Posted by rontammy0

How much power does a catback make ?

See above.

Originally Posted by Joseph1LE

Ghost cam is indeed stupid and ricey. Coyotes have the advantage over the 5th gen mod for mod though.

I agree and agreed, but nothing a good SS owner/driver cant overcome.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by ZYBORG

The difference is that the ghost cam tune is pretending / possing like you have something that its not there. The catback just extracts / amplifies the sound that the motor puts out and is already there. In some situations catback offers some power gains too.

It isn't pretending to have anything. The stock cam actually has the LSA that produces that sound. It just also has a bunch of other lobe separation angles, too. Just because the stock tune decided to use a different LSA at idle than at some other RPM doesn't mean it is "posing" to change it. Are the people that tune out AFM pretending to have a V8?

[ZYBORG]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

It isn't pretending to have anything. The stock cam actually has the LSA that produces that sound. It just also has a bunch of other lobe separation angles, too. Just because the stock tune decided to use a different LSA at idle than at some other RPM doesn't mean it is "posing" to change it. Are the people that tune out AFM pretending to have a V8?

You bring a really good point but the problem is that the "cam sound" is associated with / indicative of having a very significant power upgrade. In which case, ghost cammed tuned stangs do not have.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by ZYBORG

You bring a really good point but the problem is that the "cam sound" is associated with / indicative of having a very significant power upgrade. In which case, ghost cammed tuned stangs do not have.

But think about it this way. If you go with an aftermarket CAM with a different LSA, you aren't seeing a power bump at idle either. That sound is just a byproduct of the enhancements made for power increases at higher RPMs. The stock tune on a VVT car has those enhancements (different LSA) already there at higher RPM, but they changed the tune to remove the lope at idle. The "ghost cam" is just an option in the tune. The tune also changes AFR, spark advance and the timing of valve events across the rest of the RPM range. That has a power impact as well. So, the tune, when taken as a whole, increases power (like swapping a cam, adding a CAI, installing headers etc...). The option for the ghost cam part of the tune just removes a part of the tune that the manufacturer put there because some people think is is objectionable. People that are into performance cars don't find a lopey idle objectionable, so they choose to change it.

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by drew peacock

you lot forget the main problem with those mustangs.
the suspension set up is identicle to a 1975 ford taunus...our cars have modern suspension.
our cars car go over 100 mph safely...the worst car i have ever driven..my van handles way better...no good having tons of power if u cant use it.

You have lost all credibility!

Originally Posted by 2010reddevil

They're making the LSA tighter to give it overlap and the chop. Open it back up and it idles smooth as a kitten. My point is that the guy I'm mentioning swears that it does the same thing power wise, as if he put real cams in it. That there's no point in doing cams because that tune does the same thing as installing real cams. I tried to explain to him that his valve lift isn't changing, but it fell upon deaf ears.

Well really the tune probably does add as much power as if he would just drop a set of cams in. With out the supporting mods, you're really only looking at maybe 20-25HP increase from the Cams. So technically he is right.

[2010reddevil]

www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1404-three-cam-tests-on-an-ls3-engine-bumpstick-boomerang/

www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mmfp-1209-ported-coyote-heads-dyno-test/

I would say that cams increase power way more than "20-30hp" on both engines. They both make good power, with the LS3 making even more tq output. I attribute this to the extra displacement.