how are subarus so fast?

[stoopid]

It's an issue of innovation, while they hold on to their [becoming] outdated engineering and mediocre fuel efficiency, other makers are making strong progress toward more power output/liter and overall better fuel economy. IMO the boxer has nothing to do with their success, it's all about their AWD platform. I can tell you from first hand experience having a Subaru as a second car for 10 years now (Baja, 2xForesters, now Impreza) that the traction in snow even with mediocre all season tires is astonishing. We never need to stay home during a storm (although we choose to most of the time for our own safety - ie - other drivers hitting us). With so many improved AWD designs from other makers Subaru can't rest too easy knowing they *had* the best engine/AWD combo. It's the same complacency that got the US auto makers in trouble not that long ago.

Can we all at least agree the interior needs improvement? I realize they're aiming for a utilitarian and slightly rugged design, but it seems they employ blind interior decorators.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by rebelyell22

The LS series has been around for 23yrs. No need to change a proven platform.

You are thinking of the LT engines. The first LS was introduced in 1997.

[stoopid]

More fodder from JD Power:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...n0h00hfg100dth

Subaru almost at the bottom.

[fwiw, we've not had any early issues with any of ours, but have had some relatively minor mechanical problems after some miles]

[Bizaro]

Originally Posted by stoopid

It's an issue of innovation, while they hold on to their [becoming] outdated engineering and mediocre fuel efficiency, other makers are making strong progress toward more power output/liter and overall better fuel economy. IMO the boxer has nothing to do with their success, it's all about their AWD platform. I can tell you from first hand experience having a Subaru as a second car for 10 years now (Baja, 2xForesters, now Impreza) that the traction in snow even with mediocre all season tires is astonishing. We never need to stay home during a storm (although we choose to most of the time for our own safety - ie - other drivers hitting us). With so many improved AWD designs from other makers Subaru can't rest too easy knowing they *had* the best engine/AWD combo. It's the same complacency that got the US auto makers in trouble not that long ago.

Can we all at least agree the interior needs improvement? I realize they're aiming for a utilitarian and slightly rugged design, but it seems they employ blind interior decorators.

hahah yeah the interior sucks badly!

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Bizaro

hahah yeah the interior sucks badly!

True. But from a Camaro driver that's like Michael Moore calling Rosie O'Donnell fat.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

True. But from a Camaro driver that's like Michael Moore calling Rosie O'Donnell fat.

[Bizaro]

I have to admit the 15 sti interior doesnt look too bad I might just get one for the winters here

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by Bizaro

I have to admit the 15 sti interior doesnt look too bad I might just get one for the winters here

Believe me, it's very similar to our Impreza and besides giving the knobs someplace to sit, the interior from the driver/passenger POV isn't anything special.

2015 STI:




2016 STI:




Unless you like the 'cheap econobox' feel.

[sterlingRPI]

Looks like the Camaro could get AWD after all, as well as the turbo 4. Both of these are already on Cadillac ATS, which shares a chassis with the 2016 camaro. I think AWD could be a great option for high performance models. Would help it smoke the hellcat in the 1/4 mile, and make it even more potent on a race track!
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2015/05/...7311-312434101

[WHAMMO]

Since when Subaru are fast!? He sûre did dump a lot of money to barely outrun your bolton Camaro.
They are fast because of AWD. They perform better at autocross because of AWD and its a good handling platform. They will gain those precious seconds on the launch in auto autocross.

Two friends of mine have garage and they often deal with blown STI and WRX.

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[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by stoopid

More fodder from JD Power:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...n0h00hfg100dth

Subaru almost at the bottom.

[fwiw, we've not had any early issues with any of ours, but have had some relatively minor mechanical problems after some miles]

That is an IQS report...initial quality survey. Owners of cars were sent questionnaires regarding their satisfaction in the first 90 days of ownership. These were done on models sold between last Sept till this past Jan. I would like to see how the samr owners feel after a year or 2 of ownership. That's where reliability and build quality come into play. Drive a subaru...Honda or Toyota down the highway when the car has 30 or 40 thousand miles on it.
Then do the same in a Hyundai or Kia.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

That is an IQS report...initial quality survey. Owners of cars were sent questionnaires regarding their satisfaction in the first 90 days of ownership. These were done on models sold between last Sept till this past Jan. I would like to see how the samr owners feel after a year or 2 of ownership. That's where reliability and build quality come into play. Drive a subaru...Honda or Toyota down the highway when the car has 30 or 40 thousand miles on it.
Then do the same in a Hyundai or Kia.

That would be this survey, again Subaru middling at slightly below average:

http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...dability-study

Subaru isn't going to run ads to tell people "we're overrated, please stop believing we're better than other cars and pass the word so people stop buying into it". They'll ride the delusional wave as long as possible.

[Jsafe17]

I just stomped one of these "fast" Subaru's some punk in a newer wrx comes up about 90mph on the hwy and slows up side by side at 70.... He got two + cars put on him to a 110... twice.. and then the thumbs down from me.. you think on wrx forums they are saying they can take us??
In Mexico of course..
I am full bolt on's, full OBX exhaust no cats, Vararam cai. 3.91s tune and such..

[Aaron313]

Fast? what do you drive a 6 cylinder haha


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