Firearms Section

[GONIF]

Originally Posted by JTruck

Don't want the 9mm debate started here.. I have seen what 9mm can do unfortunately. I appreciate your opinion though. I do work for a police department. I am using LE only ammo.

Was just more curious about the placement for everyone in the vehicle. I use a comptac IWB holster at 4 clock and it's not comfortable with driving nor tactically. On the other hand, I would like not to scratch up the vehicle interior shoving it random places.

No problem scratching up the interior this way ,secure ,unobtrusive and rapid deployment . It fits like it was made for it ( between the seat and console) . I suggest you try the Bladtech Kydex IWB for a secure and comfortable iwb CCW with the G19. I have to say it is nice living in a free state like AZ with our 2nd amendment rights almost fully in tact. FYI I have owned, and operated a gun store ,am a gunsmith, reloader, and avid shooter and hunter, and got my first Glock 17 in January 1986 .My favorite Glock is a model 20SF with a ghost rocket 3.5 # trigger with a 180 grain Remington golden saber over 9.3 grains of Hodgdon Long Shot at 1350 fps . LE ammo is not bad ,but there is better . If you are required to use Dept ammo ,you have no choice ,if not check out the Hornady Critical defense 9mm .

[allshotout]

Have a zipper bag that looks like a first aid kit. Will hold full size gun with two mags, put it on my passenger seat when out of holster driving.
http://www.goutdoorsproducts.com/pro...ceit-discreet/

[I4toV8]

What is Conceal Carry? I hate Los Angeles County I wish I could carry.. Maybe when I get promoted I'll be able too

[allshotout]

Originally Posted by JTruck

Don't want the 9mm debate started here.. I have seen what 9mm can do unfortunately. I appreciate your opinion though. I do work for a police department. I am using LE only ammo.

Was just more curious about the placement for everyone in the vehicle. I use a comptac IWB holster at 4 clock and it's not comfortable with driving nor tactically. On the other hand, I would like not to scratch up the vehicle interior shoving it random places.

Oh how I love the 9mm debate.. lol.. Used to do all kinds of ballistic testing for a weapons website I owned hence my screen name. Sold it about year ago and moved on. Just about everything I own is 9mm, except for a couple because there is something sexy about a suppressed 45. Anyhow, I wouldn't want to be shot by any of them!!

[GONIF]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

My 380 with Frangable bullets can damage you worse than anyting, all I need to do is hit the siliouette and your going down. Not about the large caliber bullets anymore. I carry the Frangables so the bullet does not hit whatever its going through. For example through the target and unintentionally hit the next unwitting person.

Frangable bullet hit to the center mass, will pretty much require an organ transplant.

Glad your happy with it , but 380's are sub par with any ammo . After 50 years of experience in the firearms industry , I Know what works and what won't . After extensive research and testing the FBI determined that the 10mm was the overall best choice for a full sized agent ,they had to down grade to the 10mm short /40S&W due to women and weak male agents . IMHO the only 9mm worth a damn for SD is the .357 Sig ,that with a 124 grain JHP bullet have more power and velocity than a 4 inch .357 magnum revolver . Here in Phoenix only the gin and juice gang bangers buy 380's .
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[allshotout]

Originally Posted by GONIF

Glad your happy with it , but 380's are sub par with any ammo . After 50 years of experience in the firearms industry , I Know what works and what won't . After extensive research and testing the FBI determined that the 10mm was the overall best choice for a full sized agent ,they had to down grade to the 10mm short /40S&W due to women and weak male agents . IMHO the only 9mm worth a damn for SD is the .357 Sig ,that with a 124 grain JHP bullet have more power and velocity than a 4 inch .357 magnum revolver . Here in Phoenix only the gin and juice gang bangers buy 380's .

With that may years of firearms industry knowledge your mention of altering a trigger (Ghost Trigger, Glock) in earlier post was for competion/target shooting and not defensive carry, right? Please... tell me yes. If not and you have done this, and ever have to defend yourself with it, make-sure Johnnie Cochran is on speed dial.

[GONIF]

Originally Posted by allshotout

With that may years of firearms industry knowledge your mention of altering a trigger (Ghost Trigger, Glock) in earlier post was for competion/target shooting and not defensive carry, right? Please... tell me yes. If not and you have done this, and ever have to defend yourself with it, make-sure Johnnie Cochran is on speed dial.

NO, I did not say alter. I said replace with the well proven Ghost Rocket Comp carry parts ,but ya never change the striker spring because that makes it unreliable using some surplus and factory ammo with hard primers and also 1/2 pound lighter , this set up works great for carry if you remember the very first rule . NEVER EVER TOUCH /PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNTILL YOU HAVE A SIGHT PICTURE . The Glock comes with a beyond rude lawyer trigger with 5 to 7 # heavy, rough, creepy,nasty reset factory trigger. Near impossible to double or triple tap with. The Glock safe action trigger is much like a double action revolver trigger long hard pull .It is plenty safe lightened if you know the basics of gun safety . Much like driving a high performance car ,the operator needs to know what he is doing B4 driving . IMHO if you are not properly educated and proficient with your weapon ,you should not handle firearms .And a good firearms friendly attorney's phone number should always be carried by anyone carrying a firearm . Note all striker fired pistols have rude heavy ,nasty factory triggers ,with the exception of the old H&K P9s ,P7M8 and P7m13 and their new VP series of pistol. But anyone who has ever fired striker fired pistols knows this .Unfortunately H&K's are pricey and most folks won't spend that much on a pistol, so the aftermarket has developed a cure for the Glock, and new S&W M&P striker fired pistols rotten trigger feel that allow the inexpensive pistol buyer to remedy that problem.

[Taco Time]

Originally Posted by JTruck

I'm conceal carrying a glock 19. Want to hear where you guys keep your weapon in your vehicle while you are driving if you take it off your belt.

Regular conceal carry, Ruger LC9. It just stays in my pocket. I don't leave guns in vehicles. If I'm going to meet someone, for example I'm on a Houston, TX area Facebook "buy, sell gun group" then I'll carry my Glock 10mm. That way, if you get those clowns who want to debate "stopping power" there's no doubt.

My only opinion on your post would be to advise against leaving a gun in your car. Under the console appears to be a good place to hold a firearm, but I'd worry I'd leave it there.

(what he mentions below is a quality option.)

Originally Posted by GONIF

First , if you are serious about defending yourself a 9mm is not all that good . IMHO a 40S&W or 45acp would be far better . As far as where to keep it in the vehicle , I have a Bladtech IWB holster that I use for CCW and it fits very neatly between the console and the passenger seat at the seatbelt location ,and it is not noticeable to most folks and can very rapidly be deployed . It is in nice and snug so it won't move when your pushing it through corners with the tail out. You better be an damn good shot with a 9mm because shot placement is critical to stop a attacker with a 9mm . I know a high cap 9 is going to get the job done with the right ammo and right shot placement ,but a 40 or 45 is going to be far better . A 40S&W with a 165 grain JHP at 1220 fps or a 45acp with a 230 grain JHP at 980 fps is the hot setup for SD , drug crazed attackers ( tweekers, ) ,need to be thumped hard to stop them . You may notice no department in AZ issues the 9mm. I suggest that if you insist on the 9mm , get some Hornady critical defense ,Corbon ,or Double tap ammo . I Roll my own and have developed a load for 40 and 45 that beats the best you can buy. If you ever decide to upgrade to a 40 or 45 let me know and I will show you ( 100% legal) how to buy a firearm at wholesale with no sales tax. FYI Glocks are fine once you replace the trigger with a Ghost rocket setup ,you will be surprised how much more accurate the modified Glock becomes with a smooth semi crisp 3 to 3.5 # Ghost Rocket trigger with a decent reset .

Let me fix this for you. First - If a 9mm doesn't have enough "Stopping power" then you need to shoot better. Period.

I'd take my 9mm over a 40 (or my 10mm) simply because of recoil. Yes it has "less stopping power", but I can empty its magazine faster and with more accuracy. The threat will be stopped. (A 45 would be just as easy.)

Each person needs to carry whatever it is they can fire accurately, with speed, under high pressure. I'm not trying to attack your input, I just feel it's outdated.

[LTRS777]

Mine goes in the glove box. Be careful just buying mounts for under the steering wheel and similar. In a wreck it is a 5-8 lb loaded projectile (or at least that's what it looks like from the photos I've seen). http://www.gungoddess.com/steering-w...holster-mount/ I look at stuff like that and just imagine what could happen. Great idea though if I am wrong.

[GONIF]

Originally Posted by Taco Time

Regular conceal carry, Ruger LC9. It just stays in my pocket. I don't leave guns in vehicles. If I'm going to meet someone, for example I'm on a Houston, TX area Facebook "buy, sell gun group" then I'll carry my Glock 10mm. That way, if you get those clowns who want to debate "stopping power" there's no doubt.

My only opinion on your post would be to advise against leaving a gun in your car. Under the console appears to be a good place to hold a firearm, but I'd worry I'd leave it there.

(what he mentions below is a quality option.)



Let me fix this for you. First - If a 9mm doesn't have enough "Stopping power" then you need to shoot better. Period.

I'd take my 9mm over a 40 (or my 10mm) simply because of recoil. Yes it has "less stopping power", but I can empty its magazine faster and with more accuracy. The threat will be stopped. (A 45 would be just as easy.)

Each person needs to carry whatever it is they can fire accurately, with speed, under high pressure. I'm not trying to attack your input, I just feel it's outdated.

If you can't put one center mass a 21 feet or less ,nothing short of a 12 gauge with buck shot is going to work for you . The thing is to be a self defense shooting ,you better not shoot and hit someone at a range longer than 21 feet in most cases . So if someone jacked up on meth attacks you ,it is good idea to stop them B4 they can get to you . I carry a 45acp because it works without over penetration ,well proven for over 100 years.

[Godon Hutchinson]

Opinions on carry guns (I carry the Xds 9mm) are like the opinions on one's car,To each their own. To a point any gun is better then no gun.

[JTruck]

Originally Posted by Taco Time

Regular conceal carry, Ruger LC9. It just stays in my pocket. I don't leave guns in vehicles. If I'm going to meet someone, for example I'm on a Houston, TX area Facebook "buy, sell gun group" then I'll carry my Glock 10mm. That way, if you get those clowns who want to debate "stopping power" there's no doubt.

My only opinion on your post would be to advise against leaving a gun in your car. Under the console appears to be a good place to hold a firearm, but I'd worry I'd leave it there.

(what he mentions below is a quality option.)



Let me fix this for you. First - If a 9mm doesn't have enough "Stopping power" then you need to shoot better. Period.

I'd take my 9mm over a 40 (or my 10mm) simply because of recoil. Yes it has "less stopping power", but I can empty its magazine faster and with more accuracy. The threat will be stopped. (A 45 would be just as easy.)

Each person needs to carry whatever it is they can fire accurately, with speed, under high pressure. I'm not trying to attack your input, I just feel it's outdated.

I didn't explain well in the first post I guess. I always carry, I am just asking where everyone places their firearm when they are in their vehicle. What is tactically sound outside of a vehicle is not the same sitting down in a camaro. So I wanted to get some ideas of where people keep their firearms for quick access for road rage, etc.

[christianchevell]

I work for government, I read regulations before I do anything, and ..... if your having a weapon in the vehicle in almost all states it had better be unloaded and the ammunition stored separately ....like in the trunk or if you are ever pulled over and the vehicle searched you could be in deep do-do for one, and for two the rear seat can be pulled forward while driving if necessary if your good at it though a pain and better to have a assistant to do that. Just sayin......

[GONIF]

Originally Posted by JTruck

I didn't explain well in the first post I guess. I always carry, I am just asking where everyone places their firearm when they are in their vehicle. What is tactically sound outside of a vehicle is not the same sitting down in a camaro. So I wanted to get some ideas of where people keep their firearms for quick access for road rage, etc.

I hear about this road rage all the time ,but I have never been a victim of it . Anyway the spot in between the seat and console is the best I have found so far. I suppose you could do well with an under the armpit shoulder holster rig also ,but you may not find that set up good in the AZ heat.