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NASTY99Z28 · 01-15-2015, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

GM did NOT start the "track" car movement with the "pony" cars...

Besides the cobra R who offered a track focused car in recent years? Pony car wise.

WHAMMO · 01-15-2015, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Not completely accurate...

Ford introduced the retro S197 Mustang in the fall of 2004 and brought in a wave of retro craze.

Dodge dropped a bombshell at the 2006 NAIAS in Detroit with the Challenger concept, which in large part I think helped put boot to butt with GM to get the Camaro back.

Ford continuously upgraded the GT500 during it's life, so in reality GM was playing catch up with the ZL1 and had a solid 4 years to watch Ford's ups and downs with the GT500.

Ford reintroduced the Boss to compete with the M3 in SCCA racing and brought the Boss back for the 2012 MY. GM then reintroduced the 1LE in 2013 as a response and while making a car that was more track capable, was less street livable.

GM was going to call the ZL1 the Z28, and in fact a lot of early ZL1 parts had "Z28" stamped on them. The public outcry forced GM's hand to rename it the ZL1 and scramble to produce a proper Z/28.

It's a big back and forth game, with one company leading the way in one area, the others playing catch up..then the tide turning in another way. Saying GM has been leading all along and the others playing catch up isn't honest.

If anyone thinks the 1LE is harsh or less street livable for a performance car, they deserve to ride in a Camry. My 1LE is a limo compared to a GTR or any lowered car. I just wanted to point that. I would bet its more comfortable than a Boss because of the IRS.

NASTY99Z28 · 01-16-2015, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WHAMMO

If anyone thinks the 1LE is harsh or less street livable for a performance car, they deserve to ride in a Camry. My 1LE is a limo compared to a GTR or any lowered car. I just wanted to point that. I would bet its more comfortable than a Boss because of the IRS.

It's a performance based vehicle it's supposed to have a firm ride. You want soft and sloppy you aren't looking for performance. You dont know rough till you have solid end links and lowered.

Aaron313 · 01-16-2015, 04:29 AM

I hope we all know that the Boss was the first track oriented pony car that started this whole muscle cars can be track cars too movement in recent years. Some one said that ford is following gm's track movement? The boss was first shown to the public in 2010 before the zl1 was even completed and years before the z/28 was even conceived. I owned a 13' boss Laguna Seca and was very impressed with it. Felt nibble and light compared to my Zl1 and wouldn't call it an uncomfortable car in any regard.

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Aaron313 · 01-16-2015, 04:30 AM

Don't shoot me GM guys, I love Chevys too.

hotlap · 01-16-2015, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron313

I hope we all know that the Boss was the first track oriented pony car that started this whole muscle cars can be track cars too movement in recent years. Some one said that ford is following gm's track movement? The boss was first shown to the public in 2010 before the zl1 was even completed and years before the z/28 was even conceived. I owned a 13' boss Laguna Seca and was very impressed with it. Felt nibble and light compared to my Zl1 and wouldn't call it an uncomfortable car in any regard

I founded that the ZL1 was revealed Feb 2011 and the Boss LS Nov 2011.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwSWhaXKvw

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...angs-revealed/

newmoon · 01-16-2015, 08:48 AM

What a great time to be a fan of muscle/pony cars!

Stingray · 01-16-2015, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

What a great time to be a fan of muscle/pony cars!

I can't wait to add my next one... since last Nov. already on a list shooting for a GT350 or maybe even the GT350R.

hotlap · 01-16-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

What a great time to be a fan of muscle/pony cars!

Yes! It's even better if you have money.

Q'smuscle · 01-16-2015, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

GM did NOT start the "track" car movement with the "pony" cars...

Lol... But nobody really cared til the 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28 came out to play! Than ppl started realizing the value of the modern day boss 302.

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Originally Posted by Aaron313

I hope we all know that the Boss was the first track oriented pony car that started this whole muscle cars can be track cars too movement in recent years. Some one said that ford is following gm's track movement? The boss was first shown to the public in 2010 before the zl1 was even completed and years before the z/28 was even conceived. I owned a 13' boss Laguna Seca and was very impressed with it. Felt nibble and light compared to my Zl1 and wouldn't call it an uncomfortable car in any regard.

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I founded that the ZL1 was revealed Feb 2011 and the Boss LS Nov 2011.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwSWhaXKvw

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...angs-revealed/

Uh ,oh!

SpeedIsLife · 01-16-2015, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Lol... But nobody really cared til the 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28 came out to play! Than ppl started realizing the value of the modern day boss 302.

Uh ,oh!

I think you'll find that even "casual" car people instantly recognize and appreciate the Boss 302s. It was a really big deal when the Boss returned in 2011 for public sale and made a lot of news too. In fact I remember in 2010 when it was announced the Boss was returning the storm of people going to dealerships to get one. The 1LE is important to a very niche group of people, most do not want the downsides that go with it.

I know you're really proud of what Chevy has done with the 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28, you should be, I am too. However, the trend of modern, track focused pony cars (if you can even still call these "pony cars") was restarted by Ford in 2010 and Chevy followed suit after they saw the Boss was a hit.

In one way or another, Chevy has always played catch up with the Mustang, and always will. The Z/28 was a response to the GT350, the Boss a response to the Z/28.

BTW, the ZL1 was an answer to the GT500, not the Boss. The 1LE was the answer to the Boss. The Z/28 was an exception answer to Boss LS, but utterly impractical due to SEVERE tire wear issues and cost of replacement.

Q'smuscle · 01-16-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I think you'll find that even "casual" car people instantly recognize and appreciate the Boss 302s. It was a really big deal when the Boss returned in 2011 for public sale and made a lot of news too. In fact I remember in 2010 when it was announced the Boss was returning the storm of people going to dealerships to get one. The 1LE is important to a very niche group of people, most do not want the downsides that go with it.

I know you're really proud of what Chevy has done with the 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28, you should be, I am too. However, the trend of modern, track focused pony cars (if you can even still call these "pony cars") was restarted by Ford in 2010 and Chevy followed suit after they saw the Boss was a hit.

In one way or another, Chevy has always played catch up with the Mustang, and always will. The Z/28 was a response to the GT350, the Boss a response to the Z/28.

BTW, the ZL1 was an answer to the GT500, not the Boss. The 1LE was the answer to the Boss. The Z/28 was an exception answer to Boss LS, but utterly impractical due to SEVERE tire wear issues and cost of replacement.

Lol... Nope ! It's been a back and forth game since muscle/ pony cars started!

I have seen alot of mustang ppl come over because they traded for a 1LE! The Boss of course was big because of it's name but it didn't have ppl going straight for it or trading in for it like the 1LE! But no doubt the boss was nice!

SpeedIsLife · 01-16-2015, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Lol... Nope ! It's been a back and forth game since muscle/ pony cars started!

I have seen alot of mustang ppl come over because they traded for a 1LE! The Boss of course was big because of it's name but it didn't have ppl going straight for it or trading in for it like the 1LE! But no doubt the boss was nice!

I think you grossly overestimate the popularity of the 1LE over the Boss. People were beating down the doors for the Boss cars when they were available, and they still command very high value in resale.

Plain and simple, the 1LE is not as popular with the general car buying public as the Boss.

Q'smuscle · 01-16-2015, 09:53 AM

[QUOTE=SpeedIsLife;8173482]I think you'll find that even "casual" car people instantly recognize and appreciate the Boss 302s. It was a really big deal when the Boss returned in 2011 for public sale and made a lot of news too. In fact I remember in 2010 when it was announced the Boss was returning the storm of people going to dealerships to get one. The 1LE is important to a very niche group of people, most do not want the downsides that go with it.

What downside? And ppl are actually going and getting the 1LE's faster than any !

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01-16-2015, 04:29 AM	#172
Aaron313 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 42	I hope we all know that the Boss was the first track oriented pony car that started this whole muscle cars can be track cars too movement in recent years. Some one said that ford is following gm's track movement? The boss was first shown to the public in 2010 before the zl1 was even completed and years before the z/28 was even conceived. I owned a 13' boss Laguna Seca and was very impressed with it. Felt nibble and light compared to my Zl1 and wouldn't call it an uncomfortable car in any regard. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Q'smuscle Account Suspended Drives: 2011 Camaro VR 2SS/RS & Impala Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Riverside,ca Posts: 5,342 View My Garage	[QUOTE=SpeedIsLife;8173482]I think you'll find that even "casual" car people instantly recognize and appreciate the Boss 302s. It was a really big deal when the Boss returned in 2011 for public sale and made a lot of news too. In fact I remember in 2010 when it was announced the Boss was returning the storm of people going to dealerships to get one. The 1LE is important to a very niche group of people, most do not want the downsides that go with it. What downside? And ppl are actually going and getting the 1LE's faster than any !