Official - Shelby GT350 Mustang debut

[truth411]

Originally Posted by khell86

The first car to use it was the Cadillac STS in 2002. It was used by a lot of Caddy products until the company that developed it, Delphi, was sold off by GM in 2008 due to the bankruptcy stuff, and since then has been owned and further developed by BWI. Because of that it is now sold to multiple car companies.

Ok I just looked it up the vette got it in 2003, but the narrative that GM didn't pioneered, developed, funded the technology for M.R. is bogus ( not aimed at you, just been reading this on the web lately). They continued to develop M.R. after bankruptcy, the first car with 3rd gen MagnaRide was the ZL1 in 2012 and on many other vehicles now. M.R. is a GM technology, it's silly to say that you can be owned by GM, funded by GM, suspension Engineers of GM, get sold off and say it never was a GM technology. It means now GM M.R. tech is spreading to other car companies since there independent now.

Edit: They were apart of GM's Global suspension and Brakes business.

[i2disturbedSS]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I was hoping we could avoid a derailing post like this with giant page consuming quotes of quotes..

The point i was trying to make was that in the hands of a pro such as Mr Pobst, the GT500 with its raw power was neck and neck with the track oriented ZL1..

And yes...it is later than a ZL1...which doesnt make that particular a good measuring stick...but still a stick thats going to be measured regardless.

But it looks like this car is going to run really close to a Z/28 for less money with a lot more everyday usability (which depending on which debate we are having is good one time and worthless the other).

I heard a sound clip of it under rev while on the stage tonight...sounds awesome...

neat car, a

Agree on everything and +1 on the bold

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

Ding, Ding, Ding.....Winner!!!

The push button start? What's the big deal? Standard equipment for the new mustang

[khell86]

Originally Posted by truth411

Ok I just looked it up the vette got it in 2003, but the narrative that GM didn't pioneered, developed, funded the technology for M.R. is bogus ( not aimed at you, just been reading this on the web lately). They continued to develop M.R. after bankruptcy, the first car with 3rd gen MagnaRide was the ZL1 in 2012 and on many other vehicles now. M.R. is a GM technology, it's silly to say that you can be owned by GM, funded by GM, suspension Engineers of GM, get sold off and say it never was a GM technology. It means now GM M.R. tech is spreading to other car companies since there independent now.

Edit: They were apart of GM's Global suspension and Brakes business.

The third generation of MR was developed under BWI and was first used in 2011 by the Range Rover Evoque. Since then it has had nothing to do with GM development wise. I'm not saying it wasn't developed by GM at all, as i'm sure a lot of other people are, but the fact remains it is now no longer a GM product. So to claim that these new models, like the GT350, are using GM suspension is incorrect.

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

Same amount of R&D went into the Coyote and Trinity...

Originally Posted by trashmanssd

Yeah but they sell a lot more Coyote engines to spread that cost over (Cost/per unit sold) and the trinity engine was a lot of the additional cost in a GT500 that car was 55-75K and most on dealer lots were 65k-75K. Now add mag ride, almost entirely different front end parts, bigger front and rear rims tires made to spec for this car. I will be pleased to see it come in in the 55K area but I just dont see it i see 65K plus.

Like trashmanssd pointed out, the R&D cost can be spread out across a much higher volume. Also I'm pretty sure the 5.0L V8's used in Ford trucks are a variation of the performance 5.0L used in the Mustang GT which would spread the cost out even more. As far as the Trinity motor, I cannot comment on that since I do not have enough knowledge about that specific motor. However, since a flat plane crank V8 is so much different than any other V8 that Ford is now or has produced, it will have taken significant R&D to make sure it is suitable for consumer use and for Ford to offer a warranty on it.

*EDIT*
Just saw this Q&A with Jamal Hameedi (for people that don't know, he is GLOBAL PERFORMANCE VEHICLE CHIEF ENGINEER, FORD MOTOR COMPANY)

Q: How much were you able to share with the 5.0L?
A: There are little common parts (i.e. things in the valve train), but it’s pretty much an all-new engine: new heads, new casting, new intake, new crank, new pistons, new rods, new halfshafts.

Q: Why no carbon ceramic brakes?
A: I think you’ll find out later that affordability was a big part of this car.

Q: So keeping price down was a big part of that?
A: Yes. That was a priority with this car.

Now I'm really curious about price..

[i2disturbedSS]

I've heard of the GT350 back in 2012 so I'm pretty sure they got the motor tune for the long run

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by trashmanssd

. . . same goes for the Z/28 I know its track car really but almost every new car the screen is just that everything is done in the VCU as Software. The radio having gps and bluetooth and all the functions adds at most 2-3 pounds most of it is done with software not hardware. I can see trimming down the speaker size/count especially the larger (bass/sub) speakers to save weight. Most the time you can save a lot more weight getting the middle aged fat guy in the drivers eat to lose weight (myself included in that statement).

You have to understand that the Z/28 is not a normal street car and it's important to remember that. The base Z/28 has no air conditioning and one tiny speaker for the door and seatbelt chimes, that's it. No sound system. A screen would be pretty stupid if the GPS can't tell you where to go and there are no speakers to play music through.

[markgws6]

Great looking (and sounding) car. But If this car is so track oriented why did we not see any prototypes at Nurburgring?? It looks more like it is going after the ZL1.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by markgws6

Great looking (and sounding) car. But If this car is so track oriented why did we not see any prototypes at Nurburgring?? It looks more like it is going after the ZL1.

There are plenty of videos of GT350 prototypes running the Ring.

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by markgws6

Great looking (and sounding) car. But If this car is so track oriented why did we not see any prototypes at Nurburgring?? It looks more like it is going after the ZL1.

What rock have you been living under?

[90503]

Congrats to Ford and all you Mustang guys....It looks like a great car....

My $.02.... I would forget about comparing this with any 5thGen Camaros....Ford has fired the first shot for the next gen6 Camaros to compete with....I give Ford props for coming out of the gate with their new designed Mustangs already set up like this in the first year of production...(It took Chevy several years to up-grade the Camaros with track worthy cars)...And still no Camaro guys know for sure whether or not there will be a 6thGen Z/28 or even a ZL1or 1Le....Thanks again, Ford, for holding GMs feet to the fire....

Hopefully the fun will continue for the next several years and GM will answer with something as awesome in the 6th Gen...

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by markgws6

Great looking (and sounding) car. But If this car is so track oriented why did we not see any prototypes at Nurburgring?? It looks more like it is going after the ZL1.

As others pointed out, they were there with the car. Additionally, and I know this is hard to understand for some of the magazine and Playstation racers (not you in particular), there are other tracks in the world besides the Nurburgring. In fact, the Nordschleife is not a great example of what most track experiences will be like. It is closer to racing on mountain roads than it is to racing on most other tracks. The reason the Nurburgring is touted as such a benchmark is because it has such varying track features and conditions, something you won't find at almost any other track.

[LostPony]

Originally Posted by Doubleblank

It's going to be interesting to see what motor they put in the next gen 302R/350R for IMSA and WC. We always assume it will be the next best motor used (ie FPC 5.2), but longevity, parts availability, sufficient testing, etc come into play. And with the current Boss motor still running restricted in WC, there's less incentive to look for more HP when the BOP committee will likely just make you run a restrictor anyway. We haven't seen the torque curve, but that might swing it into favor of the FPC, I don't know. And if the FPC motor costs significantly more than the Boss 302 motor, spare motors, etc will make running a FPC 5.2 in competition less attractive.

FYI, we were one of the teams that did the parade lap and parked at Mid Ohio a couple of years ago.

I would like to see the body of the GT350 used, but use the Coyote motor from the GT for the IMSA series. Perhaps with CJ intake and cams? Sounds like a Mach 1 to me! And that car I would buy!

[PYROLYSIS]

The more I read about this car the more I like it. Even with shortcomings compared to the Z/28, the specs and content are impressive. Ford better be ready to back it up saying they're gunning for the Z/28. I expect it to come in much cheaper than a Z which would make it ok to lose to GM's track monster but Ford said they're competing in the Z/28's territory so game on.

[markgws6]

Originally Posted by trademaster

As others pointed out, they were there with the car. Additionally, and I know this is hard to understand for some of the magazine and Playstation racers (not you in particular), there are other tracks in the world besides the Nurburgring. In fact, the Nordschleife is not a great example of what most track experiences will be like. It is closer to racing on mountain roads than it is to racing on most other tracks. The reason the Nurburgring is touted as such a benchmark is because it has such varying track features and conditions, something you won't find at almost any other track.

I have plenty of track time in my 1LE so I'm no stranger to tracking a car and actually driving it to near it's full potential and not just talking about tracks from PS experience. I think some parts of hwys 1 and 84 here are much better than the Nordschleife would ever be, but too bad I cannot do the speeds they can on that "track" here. I take it you all have driven that track then? Sorry for taking us on a tangent though... back to the GT350. It's a beast for sure but still think it's not a "serious" competitor to the current Z/28. We shall see...